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Sadie World Chat Champion
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Posted: 14:53 - 23 Aug 2006 Post subject: AUTOMATIC SPEED CONTROL AND BIKES |
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I know you lot don't give much credence to MCN, but they have been mischief making (again) regarding the BMF's response to the Intelligent Speed Adaption (ISA) bike.
Motor Cycle News, the weekly newspaper, has been running a story over the past few weeks about the ISA (Intelligent Speed Adaptation) bike. It has also carried a story in this week’s issue (23/8/06) which says that the BMF has given the ‘thumbs up’ to the bike. This is untrue and is misleading. Here is an article written by BMF spokesman Jeff Stone for the BMF magazine, Motorcycle Rider. ____________________ With experience comes age. |
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Posted: 00:24 - 24 Aug 2006 Post subject: |
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Why should I believe something on the internet, it says right here in black and white the BMF support it, everyone knows you shouldn't believe anything on the internet. |
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EuropeanNC30R... Gay Hairdresser
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Luke_Retrofly Silly Lesbian
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map Mr Calendar
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Posted: 13:53 - 24 Aug 2006 Post subject: Re: AUTOMATIC SPEED CONTROL AND BIKES |
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Itchy |
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Itchy Super Spammer
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Posted: 14:00 - 24 Aug 2006 Post subject: |
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Well if the BMF supports it then I think riders should vote with their feet and cancel or not renew their BMF subscruption next year and walk off to the MAG instead , since the BMF have obviously been infilitrated by government agents which act against the biking cause.
also Map , it is not based on GPS but Galileo the EU GPS which claims to be 0.5 metres accurate pretty big claims for a system that doesn't yet exist ,
such projects are supposed to justify the cost of Galileo , also GPS has a degrade facility , so some nut can't enter GPS coordinates into a GPS guided bomb. ____________________ Spain 2008France 2007Big one 2009 We all die. The goal isn't to live forever, the goal is to create something that will. In the end, your life will flash before your eyes. Make sure it is worth watching. |
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map Mr Calendar
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G The Voice of Reason
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Posted: 14:13 - 24 Aug 2006 Post subject: |
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If it's GPS driven...
https://www.computerworld.com/securitytopics/security/story/0,10801,77702,00.html
'Honest officer, can't have been speeding, my bike don't let me'
If it's speedo driven, I'll have mine driven from the front wheel, please
In reality, I think bike organsiations should be against it - I like going over the speed limit, as do many others.
I do /not/ think this will reduce deaths significantly.
Yet again, we try to regulate rather than educate . |
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Itchy |
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Itchy Super Spammer
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Posted: 14:39 - 24 Aug 2006 Post subject: |
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then vote with your feet and next year don't renew your BMF membership or cancel your current sub,
nothing else works.
Btw sickpup whatever happened to that shop that refused to fix your tyre or lend you tools for tyre fixing?, ____________________ Spain 2008France 2007Big one 2009 We all die. The goal isn't to live forever, the goal is to create something that will. In the end, your life will flash before your eyes. Make sure it is worth watching. |
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Luke_Retrofly Silly Lesbian
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MAG |
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MAG L Plate Warrior
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Posted: 17:37 - 24 Aug 2006 Post subject: Re: AUTOMATIC SPEED CONTROL AND BIKES |
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[quote="map"] map wrote: | For comparision, what's MAG's stance on this? |
Hello All
First an introduction as the title suggest "MAG" I am responding to a request to post a response from MAG on this issue.
I wont comment on the BMF position as I have already had an email conversation on MCN and BMF with Sadie.
However to answer map, MAGs position is clear on ISA/EVSC as the day it was formulated in 2001.
MAGs press release is below and you can catch up on our position at https://tinyurl.com/e9cfy
Also you can view the history of MAG and EVSC - my ride on the ISA bike - and the Mulhouse Declaration which you can sign.
Thanks for the opportunity to post.
No to Throttle Control – No to Control
Issued 23rd August 2006
In the light of comments made in the motorcycle press about the acceptability of Intelligent Speed Adaption (ISA) technology, The Motorcycle Action Group wishes to make its position crystal clear.
MAG say, "No Way Jose" to External Vehicle Speed Control.
MAG President Ian Mutch was emphatic about the issue. "Let's keep this one simple, we don't want it, not today not tomorrow not ever."
Withdrawing control from the rider is fundamentally what MAG was set up to oppose.
MAG’s Director of Public Affairs Trevor Baird recently rode a prototype motorcycle fitted with ISA technology which was developed by the University of Leeds, the Department for Transport and MIRA (Motor Industry Research Association).
The system fitted to the bike slows the bike down through speed limits by acting on the throttle from information supplied by digitally mapped GPS signals. The system also warns the rider of the speed limit through audible alarms, flashing lights and vibrating apparatus in the seat.
Baird condemned the prototype technology as, "dangerous as it overloads the rider with information thus distracting concentration. Furthermore the apparatus as it is at present will close the throttle mid corner where consistency of power is critical to stability. However we must be aware of future developments that may overcome these shortcomings as the technology evolves."
Whatever technical improvements are made, MAG is clear about its position.
Motorcycling is about fun and freedom and control, your hand on your throttle, your decision. If people abuse that control and fall foul of the law then that is a different issue but when technology is deployed to directly control motorcycles then a big line is crossed and MAG knows exactly which side of that line it stands on.
This is ultimately a philosophic issue, it's not just about safety, it's about what sort of society we want to live in. MAG says, we don't want to live in a society with the level of control which ISA can make possible and we intend to get more votes for our point of view than the safety zealots get for theirs.
To this end MAG is re launching its 2001 campaign to oppose the compulsory fitment to privately owned vehicles of any device designed to arbitrarily remove control from the driver and asks all vehicle users to sign the Mulhouse Declaration on the MAG campaign website at www.mag-uk.org where riders can join the organisation on line .
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Notes
1. Mulhouse Declaration and Campaign website at www.mag-uk.org
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Trevor Baird
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map Mr Calendar
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Posted: 17:49 - 24 Aug 2006 Post subject: Re: AUTOMATIC SPEED CONTROL AND BIKES |
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MarJay But it's British!
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Posted: 17:55 - 24 Aug 2006 Post subject: |
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I emailed them at lunchtime and pointed them to this thread.
Talk about efficient!
£20 well spent on my membership. I might join the missus up too, She doesn't ride but MAG need the support!! ____________________ British beauty: Triumph Street Triple R; Loony stroker: KR1S; Track fun: GSXR750 L1; Commuter Missile: GSX-S1000F
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MAG L Plate Warrior
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Posted: 18:04 - 24 Aug 2006 Post subject: |
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Thanks map and MarJay.
I've been called a lot of things but never efficient |
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Mrs Kickstart Brolly Dolly
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Posted: 18:05 - 24 Aug 2006 Post subject: |
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Hi,
I had looked at MAGS website where there is nothing in press releases and nothing recent n the search somehow I missed the tinyurl.
I am not having a go at mag but Marjay prompted them ?
Regards
Charlotte ____________________ Help fight the safety camera partnerships -- www.pepipoo.com |
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MAG L Plate Warrior
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Posted: 18:12 - 24 Aug 2006 Post subject: |
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Sometimes our webmasters have trouble keeping up with the issues
This issue and others are through the logo on the top right hand side "Campaigning Write to Ride Website" this is going to be changed so that it actually says what it is.
The tiny url is a way to get round posting very long links as the actual Campaigning website url is https://campaign.publicaffairsbriefing.co.uk/home.aspx?cid=bdce7270-76f1-4ac7-baa7-4f63210ed1d4
Hope this helps. |
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Dark World Chat Champion
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MarJay But it's British!
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Posted: 23:34 - 24 Aug 2006 Post subject: |
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____________________ British beauty: Triumph Street Triple R; Loony stroker: KR1S; Track fun: GSXR750 L1; Commuter Missile: GSX-S1000F
Remember kids, bikes aren't like lego. You can't easily take a part from one bike and then fit it to another. |
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Itchy Super Spammer
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Posted: 23:42 - 24 Aug 2006 Post subject: |
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Hurrah for the MAG , the BMF will lose me as a member permanantly quite soon , they don't represent me any more.
I'd advise you to do the same ,
remember to tell your friends , so that they tell their friends so that they tell their friends and maybe when the BMF starts losing masses of members they may start to represent us again. ____________________ Spain 2008France 2007Big one 2009 We all die. The goal isn't to live forever, the goal is to create something that will. In the end, your life will flash before your eyes. Make sure it is worth watching. |
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Kickstart The Oracle
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Posted: 00:42 - 25 Aug 2006 Post subject: |
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Luke wrote: | Can anyone explain how easy/hard something like this would be to through parliament? |
Quite easily.
Firstly such plans are already well advanced for cars (they have had prototypes for cars driving round on the road, including a large scale fleet test, for a good few years). Partly they currently consider that with 60% of the cars on the road fitted with it everyone would effectively be limited by it, and with suitable effort they could get to that figure (something like requiring it for new drivers, or a VED discount, or reduced congestion charge).
Bike riders are a small minority in this country. Bluntly we don't matter, unless we can be used for political point scoring.
Such a system would also be claimed to be of benefit in reducing fuel consumption (which is being taken rediculously seriously, even talk of fitting trains with electricity meters to get the drivers to drive more efficiently), something that all 3 major parties seem to be badgering on about.
So we have a system that is mostly developed, has claims to save lives and reduce fuel consumption, and we have no political party that currently has an independent view on the issue.
All the best
Keith ____________________ Traxpics, track day and racing photographs - Bimota Forum - Bike performance / thrust graphs for choosing gearing |
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Luke_Retrofly Silly Lesbian
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Posted: 01:19 - 25 Aug 2006 Post subject: |
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Hi
But what about the rest of the population, your not telling me that most of the public want this
Luke ____________________ Flounced - Long overdue
Fuck you bitch I'm in the top 10 list I can do the what the fuck I want! |
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edd Nearly there...
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Old Thread Alert!
The last post was made 17 years, 251 days ago. Instead of replying here, would creating a new thread be more useful? |
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