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PostPosted: 23:45 - 04 Sep 2006    Post subject: Steve Irwin Discussion Reply with quote

Just thought I would post up a conversation with quacker boy that we had on MSN about the legend of a wildlife and how he really died.

These are my thoughts of what happened in his exact word and movements.

"Crikey folks here we have a sting ray, very dangerous creature it can kill with the barbs on its tail. Lets get a closer look."
*Moves closer to sting ray*
"Oooh its looking angry lets see if i can piss it off more by poking it with this stick i found here. here it goes folks"
*Pokes sting ray with stick*
"Ow it bloody stung me cor blimey right in the chest...... hang on folks.... i feel a bit.... funny...........................erghhhhh............."
The end of Steve Irwin.

Please feel free to post up your views on what really happened.
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PostPosted: 23:49 - 04 Sep 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

Top bloke, i'm really going to miss his balls out stunts...i envisioned something more along the lines of.

"Oooh its looking angry lets see if i can piss it off more by sticking my thumb up it's arse and fornicating it. Here it goes folks"

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PostPosted: 23:50 - 04 Sep 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's been all over the news and there's not really much to discuss. I don't really care when 'celebrities' bite the dust as usually they've served no usefull purpose whatsoever. However, although he was a fruitcake I did enjoy watching him on tv so don't find it particularly funny he's dead.
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PostPosted: 23:54 - 04 Sep 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

Didn't say it was funny, i thought he was a funny guy. Just seems like that would be the way appropriate for him to go.
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PostPosted: 23:56 - 04 Sep 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

I just find his death ironic.

This guy got a kick out of 'playing' with crocodiles, venomous snakes and spiders etc. and he gets killed by a stingray Neutral

Stingrays are not aggressive, and do not actively defend themselves. In fact, they usually just swim away when faced with danger.
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PostPosted: 00:03 - 05 Sep 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

Aye, you can't help but think he must have been poking it with a stick or something.

I've caught stingrays before, fairly large ones of maybe 80lb or so. Dragging them out of the water with a hook in their mouth doesn't get them pissed off enough to attack you. They just swim away when you let them go.
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PostPosted: 00:17 - 05 Sep 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

Quite surprised by the fact his death saddened me (felt the same when John Peel died Rolling Eyes ).
RIP
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PostPosted: 00:32 - 05 Sep 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

My theory is it was an angry mutated pissed off stingray with a frickin' laser beam on its head. Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 03:36 - 05 Sep 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

nice to see our resident vet agrees that he was probably making a nuisance of himself as usual annoying animals to get some good telly

steve irvin was doing the animal equivalent of going round pubs taking ppls pints and pouring it over their heads with mate filming

i dont beleive the story that well known troublemaker on this occasion just happened to be innocently passing through minding his own business

sooner or later he was bound to come a cropper

john peel on the other hand was a sound bloke and will be sorely missed
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PostPosted: 09:05 - 05 Sep 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

The clue is in the name...

It's not called a 'kiss-ray', 'lick-ray' or 'stroke-ray' is it? The first syllable would've put me right off going for a paddle.

To use an oft used cliche I'd imagine it's the way he'd have 'chosen to go'.

Either that or death by Blowjob Wink
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PostPosted: 12:47 - 05 Sep 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

https://www.b3tards.com/uploads/irwin_big.jpg
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PostPosted: 12:59 - 05 Sep 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

After reading an account of his death, I think I know why he was killed:

A New Zealand newspaper wrote:
Irwin had been filming a new documentary called Ocean's Deadliest with friend and manager John Stainton at Batt Reef, off Port Douglas about 11am.

"He came over the top of a stingray and the stingray's barb went up and went into his chest and put a hole into his heart," Mr Stainton said.


On a serious note, I can't believe he's dead. I was watching his programme on the kid's channels not long ago. I think it's a shame.
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PostPosted: 13:27 - 05 Sep 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

In all seriousness it is sad that the bloke has died, but it's hard not to have a sense of humour about it as well considering his personality and the ridiculous irony of his death.

I specifically remember saying when I saw him on TV that one day he will get tagged by a snake or he'll slip and a croc will get him. It was a matter of time.
Even if he was annoying the stingray it's still a huge stroke of bad luck to be stung in the chest like that.
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PostPosted: 13:39 - 05 Sep 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

https://www.v6mini.com/stingray.jpg

https://home.swiftdsl.com.au/~nick_turner/images/irwino.jpg

Laughing

but on serious note the man was a LEGEND!!!!!! yea he did some mad,nutty things but if he didnt then he wouldnt of been who he was & im sure most of us wouldnt have watched him

some mad twisted fate really

but still, he was quality & normal & still had a family,etc

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PostPosted: 14:09 - 05 Sep 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

I find it quite annoying that people on BCF are saying "It was bound to happen".

We all get annoyed when people say motorbikes are incredibly dangerous and "You're going to kill yourself on that thing" as if it's inevitable. Like many things Steve's work involved risk but there was nothing inevitable about his death just like it's not inevitable that we will all die in motorbike accidents. We exercise risk management every time we ride, as Steve must have done every time he approached a wild animal. As bikers involved in a risky past time we should know better than to say "It was bound to happen".

He just got unlucky as any one of us could do at any point. Say for instance around a very tight corner a car on the wrong side of the road hits you and kills you. That was not bound to happen was it? Just like Steve getting killed by a freak stingray attack wasn't bound to happen. He just got unlucky.

RIP Steve.
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PostPosted: 14:16 - 05 Sep 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

well said ^^^ Karma
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PostPosted: 14:51 - 05 Sep 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

Joe wrote:
I find it quite annoying that people on BCF are saying "It was bound to happen"...

Nice sentiments Joe but using the biker analogy as a comparison is a moot point really.

As a biker you are (or at least should be) in complete control of yourself and what you’re doing. In addition you’re in an environment that you are familiar with and in most cases you are aware of what’s going on around you despite the odd tosspot here and there – in short it’s not that random. What Irwin was dealing with is a creature - a living, breathing animal existing in its’ own surroundings, by its’ very nature possessing an immeasurable will to survive and exist. That’s what animals do, eat, procreate and live, the former and latter in most cases by ANY means available to them.

Of course, he was a professional however he was fully aware of the risks that he was undertaking every time he put himself in that type of position. I don't think that I'm gonna crash during my time as a biker, granted, it might happen however the risks that I undertake are incomparable to the risks of jumping in a river and buggering about with what has been proved is a deadly animal capable of any type of unpredictable behaviour.

Man and Animal -v- Man and Machine isn't a fair contrast in this case.
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PostPosted: 14:56 - 05 Sep 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

But then animals behaviour is not that random. Someone with experience handling animals can predict their actions, just as an experienced road user can predict happenings on the road. The freak car or animal response cannot be predicted within reason.
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PostPosted: 14:57 - 05 Sep 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thinking I'm thinking cagers aren't that far from crocodiles myself....
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PostPosted: 15:02 - 05 Sep 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

Joe wrote:
I find it quite annoying that people on BCF are saying "It was bound to happen".

We all get annoyed when people say motorbikes are incredibly dangerous and "You're going to kill yourself on that thing" as if it's inevitable. Like many things Steve's work involved risk but there was nothing inevitable about his death just like it's not inevitable that we will all die in motorbike accidents. We exercise risk management every time we ride, as Steve must have done every time he approached a wild animal. As bikers involved in a risky past time we should know better than to say "It was bound to happen".

He just got unlucky as any one of us could do at any point. Say for instance around a very tight corner a car on the wrong side of the road hits you and kills you. That was not bound to happen was it? Just like Steve getting killed by a freak stingray attack wasn't bound to happen. He just got unlucky.

RIP Steve.


But do we go and play chicken with cars deliberately-or try to get as close to being wiped out as possible? I ride because i enjoy it, not because i want to play and see how close to injury or death i can get. Colin got it right, we don't go looking for trouble like he did! i too think it was inevitable.

sad to hear about it though,cos he was hilarious on croc diaires. watched it often.
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PostPosted: 15:02 - 05 Sep 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

Joe wrote:
But then animals behaviour is not that random.

Erm, I'll beg to differ then. Show me a bloke who spends his time closely interacting with wild animals in their natural habitat (to the extent that he gets all 'touchy feely' with them) and I'll show you a bloke who's destined to end up with the moniker 'Dr. Hook' or 'Peg Leg' Wink
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PostPosted: 15:45 - 05 Sep 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

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But then animals behaviour is not that random. Someone with experience handling animals can predict their actions, just as an experienced road user can predict happenings on the road. The freak car or animal response cannot be predicted within reason.


It's a fair point. Just because he was seen to be quite wild and risky doesn't mean it was bound to happen. He did seem to know what he was doing.

I think basically he made a mistake when it came to the stingray.
You can see the way he dealt with snakes and crocs, they are actually very predictable. He could control a snake by the tail and keep just far enough away from the crocs so they couldn't get him.
When it came to the stingray he may not have been so experienced, got too close, the cameraman may have spooked it or a combination of the two.

I just read in the paper that his dying wish was to show the film of the 'attack' on TV. Not sure what I think about that. My mate was saying it's bound to turn up on the internet but I won't be watching it thanks.
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PostPosted: 16:01 - 05 Sep 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

there is a world of difference between what steve irwin did and what david attenborough would do

davids catch phrase

"Im going to keep very still so i dont alarm the dangerous animal."

Steves catchphrase

"See how he reacts when i wave my hand in his face ? Hes not liking it and doesnt want me here"

its like the difference between bikers

pootlers catchphrase

"I like to go for a nice gentle ride on a sunday on quiet roads."

speed demons catchphrase

"Ive had some bad crashes and seen mates have some bad crashes but speed has nothing to do with it. If your numbers up your numbers up."

only as dangerous as you make it

steve liked it dangerous which either makes him a bit of a prick or a great bloke depending on your point of view

I agree that he knew what he was doing with crocs and probably didnt, or his cameraman didnt when it came to sting rays.

Like going fast on an unfamiliar road

"Shit its tightening up !"
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PostPosted: 21:25 - 05 Sep 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've been very upset I can't believe his gone.

He was one of them blokes you just liked, I think he was such a great ambassador for Australia and they have lost a great son.

How many millions of children have cried for this man, doesn't this say something, he made them laugh, he fascinated them and yet he educated them at the same time.

Top bloke.
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PostPosted: 21:31 - 05 Sep 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think the difference between biking and what Steve did is that on the bike, you tend to stick within what you know. Yeah, it's sometimes unpredictable but you don't deliberately put yourself into situations outwith your control and experience.

With the best will in the world, Irwin did NOT always know what he was doing. He deliberately put himself in positions where he was out of his depth.

Fair enough, with snakes and crocks there are probably few people who know more about them and how they will behave but anyone remember the program he did on Komodo Dragons? He didn't have a clue how fast those things could move with the result that he came within inches of loosing a foot.
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