GATSO & Human Rights!

[Walloper]

[helmethead]

speed in itself doesn't kill. idiot drivers kill.look at those fools on that program "britains worst driver". each of those cretins had a full licence but NONE of them were fit to be on the road at all. YOU CANNOT LEGISLATE FOR FOOLS! You will always have myopic incompetent morons on the road who manage to get themselves and other people killed.Toughen up the driving test but don't criminilise those of us who DO know what we're doing. but hey-there'd be no money paid to the treasury then would there if all the pillocks were off the road providing the little hitlers in their safety bunkers with the excuse to put up more and more gatsos
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captain gatso is GOD!

[Retro-Man]

I'm sorry

There is absolutely no logic in your argument

You state speed is a major factor in accidents

you agree that the highest speeds seen are on motorways

yet you seem to agree that most accidents happen in heavily populated area's (towns and cities) where speed is far less than on motorways

as such speed can not be the the major factor.

You also seem to suggest that other factors such as road layouts and pedestrian activity are major factors in accidents which when added to the agreement you have indicated on speed means that you agree that speed is not a main factor when considering accidents and other factors are more dominant.


I rest my case M'lord


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[Walloper]

Retro man, retro man, retro man.
My next post:

As the string refers to our 'human rights'.
Get it back to basics then.

Is it not everyone's 'human right' to be safe when using our public highways?

Is not a 'human right' to expect vehicle users to respect the 'human rights' of others?

Are you not being a bit askew in your statement by saying my argument has no logic?

Or are you just being the Devils Advocat?

The thread pertains to a driver who, allegedly, was 'CAUGHT' overspeeding by a 'speed camera'.

His argument is not that, he was not speeding.
Or that his careless use of speed was safe or not.

He is bleating about his 'Human Rights' in a bid to get off with a speeding charge.

So I'm daft.

My next idea is:

Receivers fitted to cars and activated by 'New Companies' licenced to control traffic by remotely governing the maximum speed of vehicles.
And they will be looking to make a handsome profit by doing all this.

All because some people overspeed.
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[helmethead]

oh dear,walloper. you really must learn how to spell properly.your punctuation is as ineffective as your arguement.speed is not a major factor in rta. rank bad driving is to blame.i.e not signalling at roundabouts,no lane discipline,using mobile 'phones while driving,drink driving,driving while disqualified.None of these are prevented by your precious cameras are they?They are however,more likely the reason for crashes than speed.In fact, a coroner cited a gatso in Manchester as being a significant factor in a fatal accident.In this incident, a driver was checking his rear view mirror to see if he had been flashed and didn't see a pedestrian crossing the road-result:dead pedestrian.well done gatso-there to save lives-a sick joke!
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captain gatso is GOD!

[Walloper]

[Walloper]

This is not phunie.
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[Kickstart]

[bazza]

Inappropriate

[phk6]

[Walloper]

Once again I find deaf ears @bcf.

I made the silly mistake of mentioning safe speed again.

In this world that safety, most often, needs to be legislated.

People do not know how to be safe.

We are shown, told or ordered to be safe.

The unsafe behaviour of one lout can involve my friends, family or even me. NOT FAIR...!!!

It is not my idea that 30 mph in urban areas is safe. It has been so even before the age of 'Spin'.

I do not think race track or twisty skill makes one any safer than not being skillful on the twisties.

Safety is down to the attitude of the individual.

If one were to drive like a maniac all the time then the chances of contributing to an accident are increased by the rule of frequency.

Most folk here who winge about the 'law' seem to believe that it interferes with their personal freedom.

I disagree with this view only because people who want all the freedom in the world end up abusing the freedom of others.

It must be a balance or else freedom fighters should live in their very own 'free' anarchic country.

The guy in the story who was, allegedly, driving at 41mph was breaking one of 'our' laws. Those laws are there to protect other road users.

Anyone who can put a decent argument up against that will make a lot of money.

I will research and find out what 'Proper' law firms think of my chances at getting away with a camera fine.
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[Kickstart]

[bazza]

[colin1]

I believe that many accidents wouldnt have been accidents if the people involved had been going slower, they would just have been a near miss.

So although I would like to be exempt from speed cameras, Im quite happy for everyone else to have to slow down for them.

I think its quite nice that we only tend to speed a certain amount above the limit, so its just as if the limit was a bit higher.

If we had no limits, cameras, radar guns, I think more people would die.

Im sure some people can travel safely at speed, but not all who think they can, actually can do so safely.
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colin1 is officially faster than god

[Walloper]

[Kickstart]

[Walloper]

Hey, how did I get in there?


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[Fazerkev]

so not ever crashing is the ultimate guage of being a good rider?
I was hit by a red light runner and we all know about diesel..
Back on topic.. I was done by a mobile at 61 whilst overtaking on a clear, open 50..
However unfair, I accept i was speeding and the limit was there due to a record or accidents.

Speed alone is not the main cause of most accidents. it's inappropirate speed.
ie 90 on a open quite road over the mountains may not be unsafe.
30 in a congsted town cente my be.

Motorway argument is rather childish, don't you think?... relative speeds anyone

We DONT have the right to speed aka break the law aka act irresponsibly when others are involved.. far too much self-centred egoism these days and lack of respect....

Speed limits are hardly an attack on civil rights.. they proctect lives and are not put down willy nilly...

Finally, I'll admit I speed. Though I try hard not to in 50's or less...and I won't go silly in NSL/Motorways.
Reason 1 is selfish: I don't want to have to pay loads on insurance..reason 2..it adds to the chances of having an accident
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Kev

[bazza]

[Fazerkev]

Unless I'm mistaken, police can set up speed check areas where there has been a record of accidents and/or consistant speeding by a certain percentile... I just assumed the same for setting up cameras.. stupid me hey
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Kev

[bazza]

[Walloper]

And again the peace rally @bcf quickly turned into a violent riot.....

This is just another example of why we need to have controls in place throughout our society.

They are with us in an attempt to restrain delinquencies of minorities from eroding decent civilisation.
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[bazza]

[Walloper]

[mr jamez]