Jobs - Police - Armed forces

[Robby]

This has been bothering me for a little while.

There are a lot of posts on this forum about jobs, and a worrying number of you kids decide to join the police. Then you get knocked back from the police or get scared off by the application form and decide to join the armed forces.

Why?

As we heard from goose, being in armed forces is crap - they pay and conditions are awful, they own you, and you run an ever stronger risk of getting shot in a sandy country.

There are other jobs out there. Big companies desperate for bright young kids to take on in clerical positions with promotion expected. You don't need a degree, and you can expect to be at the same level as graduate entrants within 3 years if you do some work.

Is the job market really that opaque that you kids just can't find entry level jobs, or is it that you won't consider a job advertised at 12k with promotion in mind, and would rather take a job at 13k with no future?

[veeeffarr]

I don't understand it myself either.

Although I did give a LOT of thought to the police, then threw my application in the bin when I realised exactly what I'd have in store for the rest of my life.

Went from earning £50 a week in a chinese restaurant to a shitty telecoms company, then agency work. Now I'm working in the games industry - my dream job!

[Itchy]

you said it in one word

work


ie you have to climb the greasy pole and there are far too many people unwilling to do that and either stay put in the job that they first get , or not put the effort in to get qualifications to move higher,

its pretty tragic looking at my office (this is just a tide me over job) since they have been there 10+ years some more than 15 , and been getting shitty pay rise after shitty pay rise , while the person I replaced was in exactly the same position as me (albeit less qualified), but jumped ship after 3 years and earns double what my managers earn.
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[stevieh]

crappy pay? I was on £18k by the time I was 19.

[Itchy]

maybe we should ban those movies , you know the type where somebody like tom hanks or M J fox , start with a huge company and in a matter of weeks works there way to the top , life isn't like that,

and today it seems many people want results NOW not later, think about it credit cards , massive debt consumerism, it took me ages to learn my photoshop and life drawing skills , I see n00bs try it fail after one or two attempts and give up.
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[Robby]

[LustyLew]

I once considered the Army.

I wasn't much of a team leader, I did what I was told and did it well. I didn't want to lead, I was happy following. Some younger people these days just want to be told what to do and do it.

Dont forget, you look at school, sports is on the bottom of the pile so things like teamwork dont exist. Kinds are told you do this and you will get good GCSE's Then you do that and get good A Levels. Then you goto Uni for 3 years and you'd be set for life.

Pretty much army mentality from age 5, do as you're told and thats it.

Since Ive ben in my new job and joining a voluntary organisation, I've switched around, I enjoy being a leader. So the army would never be an option for me. Free thinkers dont take orders well!
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[Irezumi aka Reuben]

Havent contemplated joining the Police or armed forces myself but it is still hard to get a job. I'm 21 now and am considered "too old" for apprenticeships etc. Getting an office job isnt simple for me either for some reason. Quite demoralising tbh, and no amount of beligerent cv sending seem's to solve the problem.
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[Whosthedaddy]

I've sent in my application for the Police as I am so pissed off with nursing
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[mr jamez]

I would never want to work for a big company, yeah it would be cool to be earning 20k, but for the rest of my life? no thanks. I am happy on my apprentice wage of 8k and I am 20 years old. When I have some experience under my belt I will set up my own joinery workshop, being your own boss is the only way to go
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[Robby]

[Silver]

You appear to be making the mistake of thinking that everyone is driven by money.

There aren't many people whose dream job involves sitting at a desk for forty years. What stories will they have to tell their grandkids when they're older? "Well, one day the aircon broke and we had to make do with three desk fans for the entire office!" Hardly a legacy to be proud of. My point is that everyone wants something different.

[dainesefreak]

You also need to take into account education/social background, it can be a decent life/money in the forces for someone starting out with nothing and a bit of fitness. It also depends on which of the armed forces you join and what role you get, some use it as an apprenticeship for a trade too.

The money isn't as bad as you would imagine and you get all your food and lodgings paid for. There's plenty of spending money if you're young, single and living on site.

[JonB]

You need to look at the current environment to see why people want to go in the Police and Armed Forces.

A) There is a war (or numerous wars) going on.

B) Our country is full of illegals, terrorists, rapists and paedophiles.

All of which is broadcast specifically by the mass media, so young people are being inspired to change situations.

I bet 10 years ago there wasn't as many people going in the Armed Forces, just because the world was peaceful.
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[Dark]

Money isn't everything, i earn £26k but don't enjoy my job and i'm currently trying to pay off my debts so that i can afford to take a lower paid but more rewarding job.
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[Itchy]

Then again working hard and studying for better stuff isn't so easy,

last thing on my mind when I get home is to study though I do it anyway ,

esp since there are people I work for who earn 900K and complain that they have to pay tax.
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[Louise]

I beleive if you want a job that much you will go at it again and again.
Man, I tryed for the Fireservice for a few years. About to give up, but i told my self no. Now im almost there.
My partner is a Copper. She is Greek, she souly come to England to become a copper as in Greece females arnt allowed.
Now that has to say something huh. She even beat other English applicants at the english test

But, WHY the armed forces I dunno. Never intrested me, Low pay for my life? Ppfftt yea right I say!

[MarJay]

I wanted to be an Officer when I was a kid.

I wanted to fly fast jets.

Then my best mate from school joined the RAF when he was 16.

He hated every single minute (admittedly as a very junior rank).

It didn't have a good effect on him. I'd say Goose got out at exactly the right moment.

As for police? Why would I want to be brainwashed into being a jumped up officious twat? Paramedic... bike crashes. Say no more.

Fireman. I'm too small.

Fuck it, I'm a Software Engineer now!!
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