Some pigs are more equal than others

[Kris]

https://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/london/5339968.stm




It's a scary world where you can be shot dead for doing nothing wrong, yet your killers and their 'tactical leaders' are rewarded with promotions and larger salaries.
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[Mister James]

So the police should be the only ones who aren't 'innocent until proven guilty'?
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[Mister James]

Ohhhh! A classical reference, we like!

They should indeed be above suspicion, but it's a case of definition, and by whom. I accept the general point, but I feel that in this case, the media frenzy has clouded any genuine debate over officers' culpability.

My support for the police in this case is tempered by the fact that Ken Livingstone has indicated he agrees with the promotion. I usually operate on the principle that anything he likes, I hate.
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[killa]

[Johnny GSX-R]

PIGS!!!!!

Hmmm, i thought this was a post about farm animals, not the guys n gals employed by the Home Office, the Government that the majority voted into power ,, Silly me

Oh, we are NOT all the same, some of us have proved to have a human side on several occasions on here.

Kris, you wouldn't like to be stereotyped as a 'greasy smelly Hells Angel dirty layabout biker' would you

OK, we've cleared that one up

[anders]

[Johnny GSX-R]

Kin ell 'Anders', bumped ya head or what, thought you'd be next in line to pull the lever on me


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Is this the calm before the storm

[nrml76]

[Johnny GSX-R]

Thats what i meant to say

[nrml76]

[Mister James]

[anders]

[extreme3d]

My sister lives in London and always gets the 2nd carriage on that particular train at that particular time. She is only here now as she was feeling ill that day on the 7th of July and didn't leave her flat.

The police did their job, it was just a mistake and he wasn't what they thought he was. but still, what if he was?

Are their careers to be threatened over an action that, unfortunate or not, was a procedure carried out by the book?

[colin1]

It wasnt carried out by the book.

They fucked up several times.

They should be held accountable for their mistakes but the police look after their own, even to the extent of promoting the main bungler to suggest no one was at fault.

If he did have a bomb they shouldnt have let him board a bus and a train.

They should have identified him properly before tailing him and before killing him.

Everyone makes mistakes, but most people dont get promoted for them.

I like to think actually it was a way of getting her out of the role so she doesnt fuck up again without the embarassment of having to demote her.

However I cant help suspecting a bit of positive discimination helped 2 women get promoted, something which ken livingstone obviously thinks is a good thing.

I wonder if she wouldnt have been in a position to get people killed in the first place if it wasnt for positive discrimination.
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[Resurrection]

People would moan either way.

If he was a bomber and had been left alone "just incase" then the police are useless, waste of taxpayers money blah blah blah

BUT

He wasn't and the police were acting on orders/mis-information so does it really make them bad guys?

Trust me its not easy working for the police.

Like alot of people on here, people on the street have a pre concieved idea that your a twat or bent before you even open your mouth making your job a good 10x harder

Not every bobby is a nob!



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[Kris]

Seems that some of you missed the obvious 'pigs' reference to Animal Farm, a well known book by George Orwell. Never mind huh.


As for some of your comments, seriously, are you lot for real? If you are then you really are a bunch of fucking idiots. No, worse than that. I put it to you that you are the lowest of ignorant cowards.

How can the death of an innocent man be justified by the phrase "Well what if he was a bomber?" Fuck off you Sun reading dickhead. It's the police's job to protect us, which some of you seem to forget. This man was the victim of the most dispicable act, killed in a panic by those who are paid to protect. Do you not realise that by signing away our lives to the authorities to kill UK citizens without trial, without fear of punishment, based on suspicions, we are allowing the state to control us indefinately? Why do you think this man had any less of a right to life than yourselves? Would you be equally as indifferent if a family member was shot in the head repeatedly? Your girlfriends, wives perhaps?

And do you remember the really, really vile fucking puss of misinformation spewed out after the incident? Yea, you know what I'm talking about; the bulky clothes, the jumped barrier. Not stopping when asked. All lies. Lies to make you think the worst of this man, an innocent man on his way to work and murdered in cold blood. That is the real sick part of this story, that those complacent in the bodged operation, those who hold our lives in their hands can be so calculated and malicious in an attempt to discredit any criticism. Shame on them. Shame on you for thinking the same.
And now , alas, we find those in charge are rewarded with new positions labelled as 'promotions'. How very, very nice to be rewarded for such a fine job. How typical of this soceity to allow this to happen with barely a blink, barely a trace of emotion.
Seriously fucking pissed off at you lot for being so dumb. Go and read some history for a change. Go and read how the authorities have pushed civil liberties and freedom out of the window in past governments.


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[Resurrection]

I'm a sun reading dickhead?

And you base that on a comment you have mistook?

I was saying in general not about john de menzies.

Nob

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[Kris]

Why not answer my other points othar than what newspaper you read?

The 'you' was a Royal you. Not just for you so don't get greedy
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[Resurrection]

Yeah i absolutely see it was a massive cock up and things were said and done that was inexcusable!

BUT

I wasn't there and neither were you.

The crap they have come out with afterwards IS a cowardly and shitty thing to do i agree but i was making a generalisation about the police rather than an individual case.

If he had of been x y z then the police would of got slated but he wasnt so was a fuck up,

They should've just stuck there hands up and said yeah we were very wrong and well compensated the family.

Res
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[Kris]

[Resurrection]

Listen im not saying its in anyway justifiable as i have already said its in excusable!

I said what they should of done is put there hands up and pay out not that they should go around doing that because you can cover your own arse by paying a family off.

You cannot put a price on life so why try?

You tell me what they should of done?

Instead of compensating the family tell them to fuck off? Invest all the cash into a scientist to make a time machine and go back to stop it?

As it goes i do work for the police yeah

AND i'm proud of what i do

Res
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[killa]

[Mister James]

[Kris]