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 Posted: 13:18 - 17 Sep 2006  Post subject: No wonder we're losing the war! |
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https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2006/09/17/wafg17.xml
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The American intelligence officers monitoring the satellite feed from an unmanned spy plane at their base in Afghanistan could hardly believe their eyes.
An estimated 190 Taliban fighters were lined up in tightly packed formation, captured in the crosshairs of a gun sight — as the picture shows.
Rarely in the mountainous terrain of Afghanistan are so many Taliban fighters gathered together on open land. The target was too tempting to ignore: all it required was authorisation for the Predator drone to launch an air strike.
"We were so excited. I came rushing in with the picture," an army officer told an NBC television journalist who obtained the grainy black-and-white photograph taken in July. But then, to his frustration, they were told that the United States military's rules of engagement made an attack impossible because the men were attending a funeral in a cemetery.
The officers then watched the satellite footage of the fighters splintering into small groups — not big enough for the drone to target — and heading back to their mountain redoubts. They were convinced that prominent Taliban leaders had been present.
At a time when British-led Nato forces are incurring heavy casualties as the resurgent Taliban pursues a guerrilla war on several fronts, the decision has caused amazement in America and been criticised by relatives of US troops killed in Afghanistan.
For many, it also brought back memories of the decision not to order an air strike when a Predator drone tracked Mullah Omar, the Taliban leader and Osama bin Laden ally, as he left Kabul in a convoy in late 2001 and took cover in a building with 100 fighters.
The disbelief was heightened as the picture of the assembled Taliban fighters appeared on an NBC news blog just two days after a suicide bomber killed six people at the funeral of the governor of Paktia province, who was assassinated by the Taliban.
The US military did not give a reason for the decision and does not discuss its rules of engagement. But it noted in a statement that while the Taliban had killed civilians during a funeral, coalition forces "hold themselves to a higher moral and ethical standard than their enemies".
The intelligence officers monitoring the footage were in no doubt that the men were Taliban fighters. Nonetheless, the military remains extremely wary of hitting culturally sensitive targets, even with apparently credible information, as was the case when US aircraft mistakenly bombed a wedding party in Afghanistan in 2002, killing several dozen civilians.
But American caution has also proved expensive at times. When Mullah Omar was located in 2001, the Central Intelligence Agency requested permission from Central Command in Florida to destroy the building. The response from Gen Tommy R Franks, the military commander, was that his legal officer "doesn't like this, so we're not going to fire". The mullah escaped unscathed.
Yesterday thousands of Afghan and foreign security forces kicked off a big new offensive against the Taliban in eastern Afghanistan as a Nato-led operation wound down in the south. About 4,000 Afghan police and soldiers and 3,000 troops with the US-led coalition launched Operation Mountain Fury in five provinces, three of them on the Pakistan border.
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| Posted: 11:27 - 18 Sep 2006 Post subject: |
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https://cdn.news.aol.com/aolnews_photos/00/05/20060914080509990007
I would say there is more to it than the story lets on, because it would have been easy enough to shoot them up as they left the cemetry. Maybe I'm just being righteous, but its good to uphold some kind of humanity. Respect for the dead and all that. |
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| Posted: 13:06 - 18 Sep 2006 Post subject: |
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Because it would have turned into a propaganda Coup ,
consider this:
Airpower cannot occupy nations , it can subdue them and attack any of the 4 rings of power,
You don't control the ground? , a few minutes later a few blokes come by pick up all those Ak47s and RPGs and then a screaming crying child/mother appears on Al Jazzera claiming stuff.
This recruits more iffy blokes ,
while a bloke sitting in a tent in the middle of the mountains won't be missed and propaganda oppotunities are much less.
We saw it in Lebanon where situations were manipulated when I say this I mean both sides.
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| Posted: 16:01 - 18 Sep 2006 Post subject: |
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For one thing who knows how good the intelligence was? The article just assumes it was a dead cert. Then as Itchy says you have the al Jazeera footage of a bunch of dead kids who were already having a bad enough day as it is, going to say bye to darling daddy and all that.
I'm not saying it was necessarily the right decision not to take the opportunity, I'm just saying that an article that seems as much concerned with being emotive as providing facts is not necessarily covering all the bases.
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I think some form of education is required here, I'll try my best.
Osama Bin Laden fought with the Mujahedeen against the Russians during their occupation of Afghanistan during the early eighties, to help his muslim brothers. Bin Laden also used his incredible from his families legitimate construction business to help fund weapons, training etc.
Whilst out there he was heavily influenced by the teachings of extreme islamic clerics.
1991, Iraq invaded Kuwait. Saudi Arabia allowed gentile forces of the coalition, predominantly the USA launch attacks from its borders against fellow muslims.
Saudi has 3 of the holiest sights of Islam, Bin Laden detested the fact Saudi allowed its borders to be undermined by the evil corporate, global conglomerate and materialistic ethos of the free world to corrupt the 'the land of the 3 holies'.
Bin Laden then started to spill hatred towards Saudi, along constant encouragement from islamic clerics, he financed bomb attacks against the Saudi government and soft American targets.
Saudi Arabia banished OBL from ever entering its country again as did other neighbouring countries (if I recall, Yemen, Jordan). He was now a pariah.
His terror tactics increased along with his terror group 'the base' or Al Quieda.
Eventually he went back to Afghanistan where he was accepted as a hero. The Taliban, the corrupt extreme fundamental Islamic 'rulers'of Afghanistan allowed Al Quieda to use its training basis and troops to support the Al Quieda terror campaign, culminating in the 9/11 attacks.
Therefore Al Quieda and the Taliban are legitimate targets for the west. Until the Taliban are wiped out along with Al Quieda the west will be under constant threat and Afghanistan will be a democratic society. |
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| Posted: 18:55 - 18 Sep 2006 Post subject: |
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| UrbanRacer wrote: | the only other reason i can think of for them not attacking is america wants to pro-long their stay in the region, why would they want to do that? |
Urban racer have you ever read 1984?
the perpetual war theory? , in the book 1984 it was a war to consume resources by all sides
so that the qualify of life stayed the same even with mass technological advances,
with eternal war , munitions companies make top $$$$$ , the bosses of which are senators
or government advisors in the US , without war without risk without a threat a bogie man
military budgets cannot be justified. Generals don't want their toys taken away nor do
weapons companies want their business taken away either ,
Of course remembering that when such politicos fall out of power they get to become directors
of such companies , it happens even here.
Lives morality , all matter not when there is money involved.
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| Posted: 10:01 - 19 Sep 2006 Post subject: |
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| Quote: | The Taliban, the corrupt extreme fundamental Islamic 'rulers'of Afghanistan allowed Al Quieda to use its training basis and troops to support the Al Quieda terror campaign, culminating in the 9/11 attacks. |
Al Quaeda was always based in Afghanistan, right from the outset....Al Quaeda translates to the database which reffers to the CIA's database of mujahadeen fighters they employed to fight the bloody soviets.....
| Quote: | Robin Cook Former Foreign Secretary and Leader of the House of Commons writing for the Guardian, spoke of Al Qaeda as an unintentional product of western interests (he died a month later):
Bin Laden was, though, a product of a monumental miscalculation by western security agencies. Throughout the 80s he was armed by the CIA and funded by the Saudis to wage jihad against the Russian occupation of Afghanistan. Al-Qaida, literally "the database", was originally the computer file of the thousands of mujahideen who were recruited and trained with help from the CIA to defeat the Russians. Inexplicably, and with disastrous consequences, it never appears to have occurred to Washington that once Russia was out of the way, Bin Laden's organisation would turn its attention to the west.
Friday July 8, 2005 article entitled: "The struggle against terrorism cannot be won by military means"
Cook's claims come partly from Pierre Henry Bunel, a former agent for French military intelligence (convicted in December 2001 by a secret French military court of passing classified documents). Excerpts from an April-June 2004 article by Bunel:
[According to a Pakistani major] the database was divided into two parts, the information file where the participants in the meetings could pick up and send information they needed, and the decision file where the decisions made during the previous sessions were recorded and stored. In Arabic, the files were called, 'Q eidat il-Maaloomaat' and 'Q eidat i-Taaleemaat.' Those two files were kept in one file called in Arabic 'Q eidat ilmu'ti'aat' which is the exact translation of the English word database. But the Arabs commonly used the short word Al Qaida which is the Arabic word for "base." The military air base of Riyadh, Saudi Arabia is called 'q eidat 'riyadh al 'askariya.' Q eida means "a base" and "Al Qaida" means "the base". [1]
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Anyway, my point was, the Taliban did not fly planes into the twin towers, something that Urban Racer said. WHilst I do not support the Taliban, I think people should realise the difference between organisations. |
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| Posted: 10:34 - 19 Sep 2006 Post subject: |
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Cragie i don't find the satalitte story that interesting, what's this about Afgan dogs with AK's? 
If that was me looking at that picture, my finger would have slipped, whoops, oh well, just another war crime.
30,000 you say?
That still isn't enough IMO.
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