Which is quicker

[AJ]

Hi sat down to Sunday lunch and after talking about the irish road racing with the father in law he popped a statement saying that a car is quicker at cornering than a bike.
This led to an argument with me disagreeing with him I say that a bike would corner faster than a car any day so is he right or his he wrong

AJ

[iCraig]

He is kind of right, cars do have more grip so could carry more corner speed in theory but it does depend on who is driving.

[Finglonga]

If you are talking supercar wide tyres the bike will be anialated due to superior grip, same as its the other way round with the power to weight ratio on the acceleration on the straights.
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For a car that doesn't have massive amounts of down force (ie, not an f1 car), I would expect they are quite similar for getting around a corner.

The car will be able to get on the power earlier and brake much later. However the bike usually has a massively better power to weight ratio.

The two biggest factors are going to be the bike/car and the rider/driver.

There's a lot of other factors involved though, such as the bike being narrower, so can take 'better' lines around corners.

[lilredmachine]

This has been discussed before, depends what bike you are talking about. a 105 bhp, 170 kilo 600 has a power to weight ratio of about 350 bhp when the 70 kilo rider is taken into account. Not at all out of the range of fast road cars.
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[MarkJ]

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[8316]

this could turn into a massive thread.....

a car has about ten times more contact patch with the tarmac than a bike, although a bike (on average bikes/cars) only has half the power and weighs a tenth of a car.

in reality, it depends on who's got the biggest balls.
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[Jack_Cheese]

5Th gear raced a gallardo against a ducati 999. The 999 won. If you pitted the 999 against a radical, it would have been annihilated. The problem with bikes is the lack of downforce, and it's something which is pretty much impossible to engineer into a bike for cornering.

No road bike in the world could corner faster than a well set up road car such as a radical.

Jack
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[lilredmachine]

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[Ichy]

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[colin1]

an £8k bike will corner quicker than an £8k car

but an £80k car can probably corner quicker than an £8k bike

i certainly think an £800k car can corner quicker than an £80k bike
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Ok, they don't . But they do think it's generally faster.
I believe they had what they claimed was a very, very good car driver as well.

Well, if getting the power down out of a corner doesn't count, does that mean getting on the brakes into a corner doesn't count either?

Silverstone has a lot of fast corners where the downforce would take effect - slower corners it would make a lot less difference.

[lilredmachine]

[Ichy]

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Yea, no answers can really mean much; but some people presume they do, often, it seems.

An 'average' bike is probably a lot closer to a racing machine than an 'average' car.

[Jack_Cheese]

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[lilredmachine]

I guess physics an all that. Car simply has more traction, though it has a larger weight so the tyres take more force, it also has the weight to push the tyres into the floor.

That Crescent Suzuki was fast, but as was pointed out, the Radical was slower in a straight line so must have been considerably faster in the bends.
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[Jack_Cheese]

[Kickstart]

Hi

Big factor in any comparison is the choice of track. Bikes are narrow, cars are wide. It would be quite easy to have a section of track that is a flat out straight on a bike but a slalom in a car.

All the best

Keith
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