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PostPosted: 22:08 - 02 Oct 2006    Post subject: Another filtering question Reply with quote

Ok so you're nicley going up the 'middle' lane of slow moving traffic and a car pulls over to give you some more room, you courteousley acknowledge them and ride on through.
But after having a conversation with a fellow biker at work about this, he thought that cars that did this were sarcastically moving over emphercise the fact that you are dangerousley riding. Completley threw me this aspect and got me wondering if there was some truth in this.
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PostPosted: 22:11 - 02 Oct 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

He's talking bollocks. If they wanted to make a point they'd move in the way not out.
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PostPosted: 22:12 - 02 Oct 2006    Post subject: Filtering Reply with quote

A lot of cars do this if they are pissed with you they tend to try to block you.
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PostPosted: 22:19 - 02 Oct 2006    Post subject: Re: Another filtering question Reply with quote

king kong wrote:
Ok so you're nicley going up the 'middle' lane of slow moving traffic and a car pulls over to give you some more room, you courteousley acknowledge them and ride on through.
But after having a conversation with a fellow biker at work about this, he thought that cars that did this were sarcastically moving over emphercise the fact that you are dangerousley riding. Completley threw me this aspect and got me wondering if there was some truth in this.


If they give you space who cares about the motive?

But a friendly wave might make them move over for the next biker.
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PostPosted: 22:22 - 02 Oct 2006    Post subject: Re: Filtering Reply with quote

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A lot of cars do this if they are pissed with you they tend to try to block you.


I've not experienced this, but would'nt moving out the way be seen as some form of non-confrontational protest, afterall you (the car driver) would never know what kind of road raged lunatic rider you could be up against should you block the riders path.

I'm only second guessing his thoughts here.
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PostPosted: 22:26 - 02 Oct 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

its kinda hard to guess why they are moving over, sometimes i get the impression that they think im barging through, others i think they are being kind, or just making sure the learner coming round their outside doesnt damage their paintwork Razz

i have seen car drivers swerve infront of me when filtering (99% of the time its 4x4 drivers), i always find a way round so it doesnt bother me as much, so Ive always assumed they were being rude to me.

either way what does it matter? you get through and get out the jam a lot faster than you would in a car.
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PostPosted: 22:31 - 02 Oct 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'll always move over when I see a bike filtering towards me.

I do it to give the bike as much room, not to indicate dangerous riding.

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i have seen car drivers swerve infront of me when filtering (99% of the time its 4x4 drivers), i always find a way round so it doesnt bother me as much, so Ive always assumed they were being rude to me.


I too have noticed it tends to be 4x4 drivers (& executive type cars) that behave like this. Always seen it as pointless, it's pretty damn hard to hold a bike up for too long in a car.
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PostPosted: 22:32 - 02 Oct 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

If a drivers moves a little for me I always give a quick courteous wave as I am going passed, after all its only manners. Plus it means they are driving properly and actually observing the road and noticing me.

So I give them credit where its due! Smile
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PostPosted: 22:32 - 02 Oct 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

This morning I was filtering through some heavy traffic and a few cars moved over to the left rather swiftly. I managed to catch their facial expressions and they seemed quite scared. I can't imagine why Neutral Twisted Evil
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PostPosted: 22:38 - 02 Oct 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

I usually nod in an obvious fashion once I'm safely past them - thanks to homocidal Pakistani Minicab drivers, I've learnt to keep my hands on the handlebars - preferably covering the brakes!

Even here in unfriendly London I find that the number of cars actively getting out of my way is far greater than those actively hindering me. The ones to watch are the frakking morons who just plain don't see me.

Just be careful in this wet weather, as stopping distances are even more crucial when you are surrounded by cages on all sides - I had a couple of hairy moments on the way home from work today.
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PostPosted: 22:41 - 02 Oct 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I had a couple of hairy moments on the way home from work today


As did I, had to ride extremely slow and I also got absolutely drenched Shocked
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PostPosted: 22:44 - 02 Oct 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

sourcex wrote:
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I had a couple of hairy moments on the way home from work today


As did I, had to ride extremely slow and I also got absolutely drenched Shocked


My Bering jacket is superbly waterproof, my brush guards keep my gloves dry except when I'm stopped, and my Hood jeans' aramide layer seems to keep my legs nice and dry when any rain gets past the mini fairing.

:smug:

Left me all my concentration free to worry about coming a cropper or being tailended by an old asian dear in a Merc.
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PostPosted: 22:45 - 02 Oct 2006    Post subject: Re: Filtering Reply with quote

king kong wrote:

I've not experienced this, but would'nt moving out the way be seen as some form of non-confrontational protest, afterall you (the car driver) would never know what kind of road raged lunatic rider you could be up against should you block the riders path.

I'm only second guessing his thoughts here.


You (or your workmate) are reading far to much into this. If they move, they are being courteous not protesting...simple as that.
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PostPosted: 22:47 - 02 Oct 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

I had a pair of denim jeans on, with a richa bike jacket (which is not that waterproof). Did affect my concentration a little but reducing my speed accounted for this.

Note to self: Get better gear! Cool
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PostPosted: 22:49 - 02 Oct 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've got some fully waterproof Bering textile trousers, but trying to put off wearing them for as long as possible - I hate wearing them when it's warm.
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PostPosted: 22:53 - 02 Oct 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thats cool. Ideally I want some leathers but in the winter I have a feeling that I would be freezing!

Wear something underneath I suppose Smile
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PostPosted: 22:53 - 02 Oct 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

Wave them a "thank you" anyway.

If they have moved over to give you space or let you know they have seen you, they'll appreciate the courtesy of a thank you.

If they are being sarcastic it will piss them off Very Happy

Personally I think your workmate is being a tad over-cynical. Many car drivers are bikers too, and will move just a bit to let you know you've been spotted.
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PostPosted: 22:57 - 02 Oct 2006    Post subject: Re: Filtering Reply with quote

strag wrote:
You (or your workmate) are reading far to much into this. If they move, they are being courteous not protesting...simple as that.

Agreed with Jono. Quite common in London, having people move out of your way, especially if they have nice, expensive cars. I always wave or nod my thanks, so hopefully they'll move for the next bike, too.

On Saturday, I went out for a ride with two other people. I got through a jam and was waiting for ages for the other two to catch up. Eventually they did; the reason for the delay: a woman had decided that if she has to stay in traffic, everybody else will have to, too, so she blocked the other two riders from passing a traffic island. Oh, did I mention, the ride was a BikeSafe ride, so the first to be blocked was one of the Met's finest. She won't do that again in a hurry! Laughing
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PostPosted: 23:06 - 02 Oct 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hah, excellent! Did he show her a business card by any chance Smile
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PostPosted: 23:08 - 02 Oct 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

Didn't have to, the gear he wore made it only too obvious! In her defence, he wasn't on a police bike, but still...
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PostPosted: 23:16 - 02 Oct 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

lets be brutally honest, who cares what they are thinking?

to me, everything else on the road is a moving hazard and i'll base my decisions on when to overtake and where to position myself on my own judgements and experience, end of.
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PostPosted: 02:21 - 03 Oct 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

i find if they move over quickly and look scared, its mainly because they didn't even relise a bike was there and have gotten a fright when they have seen you(i have done it my self) and move to the side, i don't think there is any reverse phycology going on, they move over so there car doesn't get scratched or they are being courtous.
just wave and be glad you are not having to worry about that particular car. Very Happy
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PostPosted: 02:48 - 03 Oct 2006    Post subject: Re: Another filtering question Reply with quote

king kong wrote:
after having a conversation with a fellow biker at work about this, he thought that cars that did this were sarcastically moving over emphercise the fact that you are dangerousley riding. Completley threw me this aspect and got me wondering if there was some truth in this.

I'm guessing your mate is jealous that you filter when he doesn't. Drivers who don't like bikers filtering are easy to tell, they're the ones who move to block your way rather than moving out your way. Razz
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PostPosted: 09:27 - 03 Oct 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

I always move over to let bikes through as whats the point in sitting there in my car taking up the lane making it harder for fellow bikers to get through.

I normally get a nod or a wave as a thank you.

Being a biker has made me more aware of them in my car. I think everyone should have to do a CBT even if they dont want to ride after that.

I dont think its a way of saying oh your being dangerous by filtering at all i think its people being friendly towards bikers.
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PostPosted: 09:38 - 03 Oct 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

It seems to me to be courtesy, not anything else that makes some car drivers move over. The exception for me this morning was some twat on his mobile who didn't even know I was there and drifted out to the white line. It delayed me for all of two seconds whilst waiting for a gap in the oncoming traffic and then he got a 'hang up' signal followed by a signal asking if his sex life was conducted in solitude Mr. Green

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