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six
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PostPosted: 16:44 - 01 Oct 2006    Post subject: Is it worth it? Reply with quote

I was thinking it might be cheaper to buy a broken/not working bike off ebay or something, take it off the road for a year (till I am 17), fix it up and stuff and then, hopefully, have it working for when I pass my test, rather than buying a fully working one at 17.

I don't know anything about mechanics and stuff though, and no-one in my family is that hot on it either. lol

Is there any point in doing something like that?

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PostPosted: 16:51 - 01 Oct 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

If you treat it as a learning curve, you're confidence and ability will grow, or you may just ruin the bike further and get hacked off with it. It all depends on how mechanically minded you are.

It can be a cheap way to teach yourself but the cost of repairing a crashed / seized / stolen recovered bike can soon add up to the point where you could have just bought a mint model in the first place Rolling Eyes
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PostPosted: 16:54 - 01 Oct 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

If you treat it as a learning curve, you're confidence and ability will grow, or you may just ruin the bike further and get hacked off with it. It all depends on how mechanically minded you are.

It can be a cheap way to teach yourself but the cost of repairing a crashed / seized / stolen recovered bike can soon add up to the point where you could have just bought a mint model in the first place Rolling Eyes
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PostPosted: 16:59 - 01 Oct 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

right... so it may be more expensive than buying a second hand bike straight off?
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PostPosted: 17:05 - 01 Oct 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

Unless you know what you are doing, have a decent set of tools and access to some cheap spares, it's very unlikely you'll be financially better off than just buying one that works in the first place.

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PostPosted: 17:20 - 01 Oct 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

More expensive maybe, but you will save yourself thousands over the years if you do ya own maintanence.

Doing up a minger will teach you loads about how bikes work Wink
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PostPosted: 19:06 - 01 Oct 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

steady eddie wrote:
Doing up a minger will teach you loads about how bikes work Wink


that is as maybe, but where do I start? Or do I just combat each problem as I come across it?

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PostPosted: 19:50 - 01 Oct 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

Id start by finding the main problems, ie why its not working, if you cant work that out, id be tempted to strip the bike down completely and look at each part individually (however this takes a lot of time and you have a high chance of forgetting where stuff goes Razz)
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PostPosted: 20:05 - 01 Oct 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

Been there, done that and learnt a few lessons. In all honesty I would just wait till you are 17 then buy a decent second hand bike, teach yourself basic mechanics through the servicing it will need. Rebuilding a bike will teach you many things, but if you buy a lemon then be prepared to spend a fortune on parts and even tools.
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PostPosted: 20:05 - 01 Oct 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

For you're first project, you want something popular so parts are plentiful and cheap, a small 2 stroke comes to mind. TS125 / RXS100 / DT125 something along those lines.
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PostPosted: 01:36 - 02 Oct 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

steady eddie wrote:
If you treat it as a learning curve, you're confidence and ability will grow, or you may just ruin the bike further and get hacked off with it. It all depends on how mechanically minded you are.

It can be a cheap way to teach yourself but the cost of repairing a crashed / seized / stolen recovered bike can soon add up to the point where you could have just bought a mint model in the first place Rolling Eyes


Bought my FZR for £600 off of ebay as summer hack and jumped straight into trying to tidy it up as a matter of the bike slid down the road on the way home Laughing

https://www.bikechatforums.com/viewtopic.php?t=87835

I have done some basic mechanic stuff on my old cars, but never touched a bike before.

I have learnt so much about the way a bike is put together as its been built and taken apart again so many times in the last 3 months. Confidence helps, but air on the side of caution too as going like a bull in a China shop will be a reciepe for disaster.

So far I have spent the value of the bike in bits and pieces, but its been fun and when the key turns and the bike rides it is so worth it knowing that you have made that happen.

There are bargains out there, many may be SORN or just no MOT, it all depends on what you want out of it.

I say go for it Thumbs Up Razz
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PostPosted: 01:48 - 02 Oct 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

Whosthedaddy wrote:
steady eddie wrote:
If you treat it as a learning curve, you're confidence and ability will grow, or you may just ruin the bike further and get hacked off with it. It all depends on how mechanically minded you are.

It can be a cheap way to teach yourself but the cost of repairing a crashed / seized / stolen recovered bike can soon add up to the point where you could have just bought a mint model in the first place Rolling Eyes


Bought my FZR for £600 off of ebay as summer hack and jumped straight into trying to tidy it up as a matter of the bike slid down the road on the way home Laughing

https://www.bikechatforums.com/viewtopic.php?t=87835


This guy has no place in the workshop as he may give you advice that
he has
I have done some basic mechanic stuff on my old cars, but never touched a bike before.

I have learnt so much about the way a bike is put together as its been built and taken apart again so many times in the last 3 months. Confidence helps, but air on the side of caution too as going like a bull in a China shop will be a reciepe for disaster.

So far I have spent the value of the bike in bits and pieces, but its been fun and when the key turns and the bike rides it is so worth it knowing that you have made that happen.

There are bargains out there, many may be SORN or just no MOT, it all depends on what you want out of it.

I say go for it Thumbs Up Razz


This guy has no place in the workshop as he may give advice that he
has no idea what he is talking about and just feels if there is a topic
he has to post something.
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PostPosted: 01:54 - 02 Oct 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

Pardon?

Its an opinion not advice and I'm bored as fook at work so trying anything to staty awake.
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PostPosted: 01:56 - 02 Oct 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

Then read.You don,t have to post.
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PostPosted: 06:47 - 02 Oct 2006    Post subject: Re: Is it worth it? Reply with quote

roadbusters.com wrote:
I was thinking it might be cheaper to buy a broken/not working bike off ebay or something, take it off the road for a year (till I am 17), fix it up and stuff

It will end in tears...

roadbusters.com wrote:
I don't know anything about mechanics and stuff though, and no-one in my family is that hot on it either.

Not a good sign... Rolling Eyes
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PostPosted: 11:42 - 02 Oct 2006    Post subject: Re: Is it worth it? Reply with quote

ZRX61 wrote:
roadbusters.com wrote:
I was thinking it might be cheaper to buy a broken/not working bike off ebay or something, take it off the road for a year (till I am 17), fix it up and stuff

It will end in tears...

roadbusters.com wrote:
I don't know anything about mechanics and stuff though, and no-one in my family is that hot on it either.

Not a good sign... Rolling Eyes

lol... thanks Smile
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PostPosted: 14:45 - 02 Oct 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

I would pretty much have to agree with ZRX61. Unless you are mechanically minded or can call on some heavyweight local backup you are going to struggle. Most bikes sold on eBay as non-runners need extensive work, or they would be quickly fixed up and sold as runners. Added to that, if they are in mechanically poor condition then it's odds-on they will be in poor nick cosmetically too. Not much going for them.
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PostPosted: 20:05 - 02 Oct 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

I did it pretty much this way when I was working on passing my test. I bought a cheap wreck from a breakers for peanuts, stripped it down and rebuilt it from scratch. It was a cheap way of getting something half decent and I really enjoyed doing it.

Mind you....

I was mechanically minded, had been helping Dad fix cars and bikes as soon as I was old enough to hold a spanner and had a father who was both a life-long biker, and a skilled engineer. Very little chance of me screwing up something and leaving it in a dangerous state.

Renovating a wreck is a rewarding thing to do, but you would need to have either a natural affinity to the toolbox, or the attention of someone else who has ...and who can spare the time!!

Far better to buy something that you know goes and is going to keep going, and learn maintenance as you go.
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PostPosted: 20:17 - 02 Oct 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

i brought my rxs for 100 quid non runner when i was 16 and fixed it up for when i was 17, it lasted three days on that engine until the bottom end went. i then purchased another engine, which has been great for about 500 miles until i had an ignition failure. fixed that and all was wlel for another 700 ish miles and now my engine makes an extreme rattling noise when warm (stripped it down yesterday and the little end bearing hasnt gone :S) and the performance is well off. with all the odds and sods ive brought it has cost more than its worth and has been pretty unreliable. on the other hand ive learnt so much about bikes and how engines work that the prospect of a total stripdown pisses me off more than scares me......i wouldnt recomand buying a total wreck like i did, but maybe something with minor faults like fork seals or something in need of a respray perhaps?
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PostPosted: 01:33 - 03 Oct 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

hazza wrote:
lasted three days on that engine until the bottom end went.

i then purchased another engine, which has been great for about 500 miles

all was well for another 700 ish miles

now my engine makes an extreme rattling noise

ive learnt so much about bikes and how engines work

You've certainly got a handle on how to break them Smile
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