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Itchy
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PostPosted: 08:02 - 04 Oct 2006    Post subject: what is overdrive? Reply with quote

Babyyam's other half described it at squires last week I glazed over and understood up to well over drive is.... , and I keep reading about it for in various adverts looking at hacks.

so what is over drive?.

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PostPosted: 08:23 - 04 Oct 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

From what i can remember...

Overdrive is where the gearbox is turning the rear wheel faster than the engine is turning.

Therefore 1st-3rd gear are say turning slower than the engine, 4th gear the rear wheel is being turned at the same speed as the engine, and 5th gear is overdrive - where the rear wheel is turning faster than the engine.

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PostPosted: 08:24 - 04 Oct 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

Isn't it a low RPM, high speed cruising gear that sacrifices power for fuel economy?
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PostPosted: 09:33 - 04 Oct 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Overdrive_(mechanics)
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PostPosted: 09:41 - 04 Oct 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

Method wrote:
From what i can remember...

Overdrive is where the gearbox is turning the rear wheel faster than the engine is turning.

Therefore 1st-3rd gear are say turning slower than the engine, 4th gear the rear wheel is being turned at the same speed as the engine, and 5th gear is overdrive - where the rear wheel is turning faster than the engine.

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I doubt very much you'll have wheels turning at even tickover speed, you're talking about the final drive output, compared to engine speed.. not wheel rotation. (unless you have a 1:1 drive:wheel sprocket ratio) That being said, the Firestorm has an inverse top gear, where final drive is turning more than the engine.

overdrive is usually an additional gearbox which has 2 ratios. it was used on cars in the '70s like the Triumph Dolomite to give them an additional 'cruising' gear for motorway work. If you were really anal.. you could even use it between all the other gears to give you a 8 speed uber-close ratio gearbox from a regular 4 speed with overdrive Very Happy

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PostPosted: 11:45 - 04 Oct 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

My Heinz Heisler Training Book wrote:
The speed of the output shaft from the gearbox is higher than the crankshaft speed...

And the advantage of this obviously, is that your bike can be ridden at higher speeds, with your engine RPM reduced by "Anything between 10 and 30%".

Therefore your getting reduced engine wear because your not having to rev the engine upwards of its safe limits in top gears to reach your higher speeds, and of course you will be getting better fuel economy because your engine wont be running as fast Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 11:47 - 04 Oct 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

feef wrote:
I doubt very much you'll have wheels turning at even tickover speed, you're talking about the final drive output, compared to engine speed.. not wheel rotation.

You'll have to forgive me when it comes to certain particulars, it has been a little while since i last talked about / worked around things like this, so i do tend to be slightly off the mark from time to time Laughing Still, at least i was on the right tracks before having to address my old training book for the finer details Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 11:54 - 04 Oct 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi

Wear will depend on lots of things other than just engine speed. Running the engine at too low a speed will have just as nasty effects as revving it too hard.

As to efficiency, lots of odd factors. For a basic example, no point running higher gearing if that just means larger throttle openings to maintain speed and straying into the area where the mixture is richened up for acceleration.

Quite common for cars to be tweaked to do well on the standard 90 kmh fuel consumption figures, but in doing so land up rather worse in real life (when people just land up sitting a gear or 2 lower to get adequate performance on tap when required).

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PostPosted: 12:02 - 04 Oct 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

Toby R wrote:
sacrifices power for fuel economy?


Its NOT power, its called thrust ( = torque X gear ratio )
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PostPosted: 15:46 - 04 Oct 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

johnsilva wrote:
Toby R wrote:
sacrifices power for fuel economy?


Its NOT power, its called thrust ( = torque X gear ratio )


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PostPosted: 19:54 - 04 Oct 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

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overdrive is usually an additional gearbox which has 2 ratios. it was used on cars in the '70s like the Triumph Dolomite to give them an additional 'cruising' gear for motorway work. If you were really anal.. you could even use it between all the other gears to give you a 8 speed uber-close ratio gearbox from a regular 4 speed with overdrive


Don't wanna sound anal but it's normal that you could only use it on 3rd and 4th. Embarassed Ex- spitfire owner.
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PostPosted: 19:55 - 04 Oct 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's kinda like Warp Speed I think. Or is that Hyperspace? Both pretty nippy, that's for sure.
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PostPosted: 22:06 - 04 Oct 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

As has been said was an extra "gear" for cruising purposes fitted to cars with only four forward gears (those were the days Shocked ). Now almost all cars have five forward gears so no longer needed.

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PostPosted: 13:07 - 05 Oct 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

The new Vette Z06 has an overdrive in 6th, 1-5th get it to 200mph, and sixth gets it 26mpg on the highway. The 700R4 box in the Camaro we had contained an overdrive as 5th, 30mpg wasn't bad out of a 5.7 V8. Essentially it's a hugely long gear, the Camaro would pull 1500-1800 rpm between 70 and 80 mph on the motorway.
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PostPosted: 13:27 - 05 Oct 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

As indicated, 3 meanings:

1. technical - the output of the drivetrain is spinning faster than the input.
2. legal - as applied to cars with poor fuel consumption, so they can meet mandated requirements (seems prevelent in US)
3. british car industry bodge - Can't build a decent gearbox? slam an unreliable auxilliary gearbox onto the back of the standard one, and turn it into a marketing feature Smile

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PostPosted: 00:54 - 06 Oct 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

does anyone know of any bikes with an overdrive top gear ?
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PostPosted: 07:58 - 06 Oct 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

colin1 wrote:
does anyone know of any bikes with an overdrive top gear ?


yup Babyyam's other half has a Honda Magna which has it which is why he explained it and I didn't understand,
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PostPosted: 09:51 - 06 Oct 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

colin1 wrote:
does anyone know of any bikes with an overdrive top gear ?


going by the technical trerm of drivetraing turning faster than engine, then the Firestorm's almost there, with the drive sprocket turning faster than the engines
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PostPosted: 10:37 - 06 Oct 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

Itchy wrote:
colin1 wrote:
does anyone know of any bikes with an overdrive top gear ?


yup Babyyam's other half has a Honda Magna which has it which is why he explained it and I didn't understand,


I'm not sure if the Magna has overdrive, but the Shadow (the bike he came to Squires on) definitely does. Dunno if it's standard on them cos ours is a US import.

Scared the crap out of me the first time I rode it and an orange light came on the display as I changed up cos I had no idea what it was and I thought I'd broken it! Embarassed
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