Ebay / Paypal dilema

[Mr.Everready]

About 3 weeks ago I won a Pyramid carbon hugger for my bike. It was described as having a black gel coat. there was even a question answered on the page and he comfirmed that it was indeed made of carbon and not plastic.
Now I thought that I'd give it a punt maybe to sell on considering that they are £120 new. Well anyway I won it at £41 + p&p, bargain I'm thinking.

After 10 days I notify Paypal that the item has not arrived. The seller gets a bit arsey I tell him that I'm just covering my bases just incase.
It finally arrives the next day ( 1st class paid for ) One look at it and it's obviously not carbon. I call pyramid and they confirm this.
I then contact the seller and tell him this, he says "well all i can do is offer you a refund. what can i say." So he's offered me a refund so it now goes like this.

Me "If you want it back send a payment to my paypal of £54.25 and I'll get it sent off today, or we could come to an arrangement about a partial refund."

Him "refund for what?? It is sold i was just trying to be helpful, its no good to me as i now ride a buell."

Me "It was sold as a carbon hugger, which it is not. If it was sold as a normal hugger then it would not have reached the price that it did. Lucky if the price would have got to £25 for it.
As I said I can send it back to you and you can re sell it or I get a partial refund and keep it."

Him "MAYBE I THINK NOT, ITS STILL A BARGAIN, WHAT WERE YOU THINKING, ITS NO GOOD TO ME, ITS A VERY GOOD HUGGER IN EXCELLENT CONDITION."

After that I notify Paypal that the item is now disputed, so he now has 10 days to contact them. Now here's the bit Paypal found in my favour and have credited me the total amount I paid including the p&p.

So I've now got a hugger and been refunded my money aswell. The seller has not yet contacted me about this so what should I do ? Hang tight and keep the the money aside until he starts screaming for it or give him a partial refund ?
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[TheShaggyDA]

Keep the money, and make him pay you to send the hugger back. Can't stand eBay scum.
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[SoulRider]

Yup agree, he mis-sold the item and he knows it, make him pay the postage to send it back.
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[Mr.Everready]

That's why originally I said to him to pay £54.25. That would have covered my postage costs to send it back.
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[anders]

You are a total loser

The description said: black gel coat which means it is a fibreglass rear hugger with a GRP coating in black - not carbon.

you cheated the poor guy, send it back to him immediately, people like you shouldn't be on the ebay network. You won it fair and square and then try and cheat him for more money back after you got a good deal...
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[anders]

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[Mr.Everready]

Don't know if Anders is yanking or not ?

Anyway how am I supposed to know that it wasn't carbon ? Are carbon parts never painted ?

Here's the question and answer he gave someone else.

Q: is this real carbon fibre or just carbon look plastic ???? thanx lee

A: real carbon fibre mate, not a cheap lookalike. Its just gloss black gelcoat finish whth the pyramid logo on it i can photo the underside if you wish. Thanks

And here's his description.
Due to having to sell my zx636r B1h, I have all my extras that I put on it from new to sell, this is for the Pyramid Carbon Fibre Hugger, I bought it for £120 less than 6 months ago its used but in excellent condition, if you are looking then you know what it is and what it does.
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[Mr.Everready]

Just to add I personally think that he did think it was carbon. So if he paid £120 for it he should be complaing to where he bought it.

He was also selling it on another bike site as "carbon" along with his other stuff.
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[Mr.Everready]

[Mr.Everready]

Who's whining ?

All I'm asking is should I keep the money or send some back. Win/win as I see it.
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[Mr.Everready]

No, the wife does those jobs for me so there's no need for a torch.
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[colin1]

well i dont think the seller wants it back as he no longer has the bike it goes on

you should put it on ebay, and either keep the proceeds or send them to the ebayer who gave the bad description

if you think he intentionally misled u might wanna do a siggi and keep the cash

id be more tempted to send him the proceeds tho, as im nice and generally think more people are incompetant than spiteful, so he probably just made a mistake

there is no point asking the seller to send you money to send it to him,as he wont want to do that

nice to hear paypal awarded in your favour, and do earn their percentage on some occasions
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[Ste]

Could you post a link to the auction please?

[syl]

A real carbon hugger for a ZX6R (used and 6 months old) went for £112 on EBay - which is almost what they cost new (£120)! Normal plastic ones seem to routinely go for around £45 (£75-£80 new).

But it would appear that he did describe it incorrectly. Tell him to come and pick it up or to pay you the postage back to him. By all means offer to give him what you think it's worth to "save him the bother" - he should be clever enough to realise that he's going to loose twice the postage fee as a minimum (there and back), so offer him £41 less that amount. If he's not that clever, point it out. Tell him he's got 28 days or you'll charge him storage (and sell the hugger to pay for it if necessary).
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[hmmmnz]

i think you should keep the money, and if he pays for postage in the next month then send the hugger back, if he doesnt, then chuck it or chuck it back on ebay, he cocked up, and didn't tell the truth, so now he pays for that mistake,
just my opinion of course
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[Robby]

From my own experience selling on ebay, if I sell anything that turns up wrong or broken as a result of my mistake I get a replacement out pronto and don't charge anything, and if I want the original back I pay the postage and packaging.

Hang onto it until he says he wants it back, then ask him to pay the p&p. If you hear nothing for 3 months, you got a free hugger.

[Ste]

https://i14.ebayimg.com/01/i/08/33/18/ac_1.JPG

That being the picture of the hugger from the auction and the description says "Pyramid huggers are bike-specific to ensure a perfect fit, and are made in a range of materials including ABS plastic, glass-reinforced plastic and carbon fibre."

Send him the hugger back, you got exactly what was pictured and described so he's not done anything wrong.

[Jenks]

his parking job isnt very good on that road
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[anders]

[Mr.Everready]

Ste, you've read the ad and you know fine well it was being sold as a carbon hugger. The part you quote didn't come from him it was copied straight from the Pyramid site. And you will also note that the link he put in the ad takes you straight to the carbon hugger page.

So please explain why I got what was described ?

Header says :
Pyramid Carbon Hugger zx636r zx636 zx6 zx6r zx6rr B1

Ad says :

Due to having to sell my zx636r B1h, I have all my extras that I put on it from new to sell, this is for the Pyramid Carbon Fibre Hugger, I bought it for £120 less than 6 months ago its used but in excellent condition, if you are looking then you know what it is and what it does. Heres the Pyramid write up and link..


The question and answer :

Q: is this real carbon fibre or just carbon look plastic ???? thanx lee
06-Sep-06
A: real carbon fibre mate, not a cheap lookalike. Its just gloss black gelcoat finish whth the pyramid logo on it i can photo the underside if you wish. Thanks
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[anders]

[Mr.Everready]

I'm not Lee

As with most things you buy you have to take the word of the seller. It was also being sold on another forum as a carbon hugger, who was I to argue ?

Next time I buy something black and it comes back yellow I'll not complain then shall i ?
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[Ste]