Sorn fine

[Irezumi aka Reuben]

I have received a letter informing me that I have not got one of my motorcycle's SORN'd. This is correct as I filed it away and forgot to do so. Are there any way's to not pay this fine?

Also if I am forced to pay the fine does anyone have any reccomendation's about who to contact to reclaim my money and challenge the whole SORN system, which is a form of bullying and theft.

P.S. I realise going to the post office would have been simpler in the first place but I forgot to do so. I see no reason why I should be punished for forgetting to do something the government imply's I should. The vehicle was not used on the road, as it is not roadworthy, I have the previous year's SORN so it is merely an error.

Thanks for any help.

[Kickstart]

Hi

Unfortunatly not.

I agree that the SORN system is totally useless.

If they chase you up what they do is take you to the small claims court for failure to pay (and a court miles from where you live). Idea is that the penalty is assumed to be correct and you are not in a position to argue against it, added to which you will get a CCJ against your name.

All the best

Keith
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[Davo]

Reuben

Sorry can't help you with the fine. I don't know if your aware but you can declare SORN online here.

[Irezumi aka Reuben]

I wasnt aware you could pay online, thanks.

So I have to pay this fine then?

If so can someone point me in the direction of a legal group/person that I can talk to regarding this situation? I beleive this is nothing more than theft and wish to follow it up.

[Kickstart]

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[gavin]

YES YOU CAN! tell them you sent off the SORN letter (that came with the tax reminder) a couple of weeks before the tax was due, and that you presume it got lost in the post or in their system, have a moan about their incompetence etc.

i have personally got off a fine this year using this method, and i know a handful of people who have done the same..

i'll have a look and see if i can find the letter i sent, and the one i got back.

i believe they HAVE to give you the benefit of the doubt if you protest, and all they will do is send you a new sorn form. remember to backdate the second form to the date it was due. this info came to me from someone with inside knowledge

[Irezumi aka Reuben]

i realise this may be the case kickstart, however I am willing to go to extreme length's. If you or Mrs Kickstart know of who I should contact, bar my local councillor (I also have contact detail's for the DVLA I am going to write to) then I would be grateful.

I will contact MAG?BMF but are there any other groups, not bike specific who are worth contacting? Perhaps as far fetched as Human Right's lawyers etc?

Edit, Thanks Gavin, will look into it. Just phoned up the DVLA but handed over no details so not a problem.

[Kickstart]

Hi

Gavin is correct that you can bullsh1t them.

Afraid I don't know who else you could contact.

All the best

Keith
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[gavin]

oh but its not bullshit, you did send the form off didn't you? just as i did.....


i beleive its something to do with where the burden of proof lies......

[Kickstart]

Maybe, but remember that with a speeding ticket being sent to you the burden of proof is with you to show you did not receive it. The courts view the scamera partnerships claiming to have sent it as proof you have received it.

All the best

Keith
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[gavin]

[Kickstart]

Good luck, but you will be lucky.

As far as I know there is already legal precedent set that their claim of sending it is proof of receipt.

All the best

Keith
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[sickpup]

[deeley]

[Kwaks]

Have got off 3 or 4 of these for a car i sold on but 'forgot' to inform the dvla, ranged from no tax to parking tickets. I even let it run to the summons stage before phoning them in exasperation quoting the numerous correspondance and phone calls i had made.

All dropped and no problems


*edit* i had sold it on btw, just kept forgetting to send the form
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[Gazdaman]

I sent them a letter saying "I sold this bike frigging ages ago!" They said "Oh ok, sorry, love you".

Gaz

[mistergixer]

I'm afraid i can't offer any help, but i'd just like to join in the rant.
I hate the idea of assumed criminality - 'you haven't told us it's off the road, therefore you are using an untaxed vehicle and therefore are a criminal'
Bollox!
It's like the friggin TV licence - i don't own a TV, and therefore don't have a TV licence. I received numerous threatening letters from the TV licence people saying they would send a copper round to 'interview me under caution' for operating a TV without a licence. Eventually i told them that if they continued to threaten me i would contact my MP about 'harrasment from a public body' - not heard anything from them since.
Wankers.
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[J.K.R]

To add to this also, I sold my 50 a month or so back, And i forgot to SORN it beforehand...

They sent out the letter (please pay the fine blah blah) and included the form to SORN it...I filled it in and sent it off, Then 2 weeks later i get another letter (thankyou for informing us you've sold it)

I think ive got away with it...
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[Rookie]

So if I filled in the SORN declaration and sent it off after my tax disc expired, would my bullshitting capabilities as far as the fine for being untaxed for a period be pretty much out the window? They want me to pay them £90.

[Irezumi aka Reuben]

I have just spent the last hour getting passed from pillar to post and getting automated voice messages to get nowhere with speaking to someone about this SORN problem.

Seem's I will now have to write a letter as the office's that the government have are incapable of dealing with a basic query, let alone being able to find someone to discuss the situation with.

[SoulRider]

Im sorry to say this but you wont get anywhere if you try and take this further, you will just be digging yourself a hole. As far as their concernd you have no grounds to stand on, you forgot to renew your sorn and thats down to you. id just pay the fine and renew it asap, leave it longer the fine increases i believe.

I was sent one for my last bike which was a write of, i phoned the dvla and told them that and they simply said get a signed letter from the insurance company saying they have it and that will be fine, did that and 4 months later i receive a SORN notice saying i have to pay a fine. So sent another copy showing the date the letter was received on recorded delivery and then they sent me a letter saying they are not going to pursue me any further on this. But i was able to persue this because i did send them the letter with plenty of notice originally.

I think the sorn system is rubbish because people that have taxed the bike previously but then have taken it of the road are getting fined just so they can catch the people without tax on the road.
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[Irezumi aka Reuben]

The whole system is a pathetic joke. Do you think the people who do run without tax give a rat's arse as to whether they receive a letter saying theyre going to get a fine or not?

I'm paying sweet fuck all.

[LustyLew]

I've got a similar problem.

Sold a car back in July. It had tax until August and MOT for the same.

The guy I sold it to got in touch with me abotu 4 weeks ago asking if I'd sent the V5, which I had done, 2 days after selling it.

Now the DVLA have fined me £40 for not taxing the vehicle and demanding the guys address.

I've phoned them up complaining that I had sent off the V5 months ago, and that this is a direct resul of their, or the Post Offices incompetance.

It now stands that as the fine is being disputed I dont have to pay (yet) but I need to ge tthe guys address details.

The DVLA are a useless bunch of c*nts, like many government agencies. So much paperwork and procedure, even the people who work there dont have a clue.

I agree, the SORN system is a pile of cack.
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[SoulRider]