Counter steer? Yeah i know its been covered million times!

[short1uk]

Right well, going round say a right hand bend I tried what I thought was countersteering?

So going in to the right hand bend and I sort lean the bike towards the ground on the right, and lean my body the other way?

Is this right?

C

[T1z3R]

no.

that would be counter-leaning

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Countersteering
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[sagalout]

no, countersteering is where if you want to turn right you actually steer the bars slightly left, which induces the bike into leaning right.

[Mozzer]

Push with your right hand, bike will go right.

Push with your left, bike will go left.
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[mrbluesbox]

This is a great little vid on youtube that will clear things up for ya - worked for me

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BX3PMckEX-0

[Overkill]

just ride one handed for a while, you will be forced to do it wether you like it or not

its a piece of piss

[Baloo]

You do need to be moving at 15-20mph as a minimum to get it to work effectively.
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[palmer]

Counter-steering is easy. Bluesbox's link is a great explination too

[Pete.]

You cannot turn a bike without counter-steering. At any speed. If you locked the steering dead straight whilst moving forward and hung right off the side of the bike to make it fall over, you would fall over, but you would still be going dead straight when you hit the floor.

EDIT: Not strictly true. If you fixed your steering so that the bike could only turn from dead ahead to the right, so that it could not turn left at all, then you could turn to the right and the bike would go right but it would also fall over to the left and have you eating tarmac.

[short1uk]

I obviously do it as I have been riding a year and not fell off on a corner lol!!!

But it’s the conscious decision too do it that I want to look at.

I need to get out on my bike and practise

Cath

[short1uk]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FslEB8EELUI


Just watched this and thinking about a rolling cone (the shape)

I think I get it now, Ohhhhh rain go away so i can try it!!!!!! (when i get home from work of course)

Cant wait for next summer. Wait till its a nice day and I am feeling **ill** then i can ring work, then go off out for the day!!!

I wannnnna ride my bike

C

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Has been posted before but this google video is an example of bike control including some tight counter steering.

Click here for Japanese motorcycle cops video.


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[krebsy]

Went from pushing the bars to the side whilst shifting weight to countersteer to keeping arms horizontal and pushing forwards instead. First time I tried it at 60 mph on a left hander and the Bike almost ended up in the field as I wasn't ready for the greater degree of turning it gave..


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[h00dwink]

counter steering is something you have to do, you only don't realise you do it until something like this comes along is becuase you don't notice yourself doing it.
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[ram_doom]

Counter steering doesnt doesnt work until around 10/15 mph, something to do with gryroscopic effect, stability of turny things and what not...
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[Pete.]

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[chalky143]

You allways countersteer 2 a certian extent when your riding anyway!
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[Gazdaman]

At slow speed, you'd turn the bars right. Like when you're doing a u-turn.

Gaz

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[Pete.]

This is how I see it.

Keith code has proved with his no-body-steer bike that it's not possible to turn a bike without turning the steering. It cannot be done by shifting body weight alone.

Sir Isaac Newton's law states that every action must have an equal and opposite reaction. And that a body will remain in a state of constant motion unless acted on by some other external force.

Now if you are going dead ahead, in a bolt-upright position, you have to turn the bars to initiate any turn, however small an amount (as proved by Keith Code). So you make a tiny turn to the right, and now your bike is leaning left, because the bike has rotated around it's centre of mass aligned along the direction of travel (newton's law). Now your centre of gravity has shifted to the left of directly above the wheel centreline and gravity is starting to pull you over. Your only recourse to stop yourself toppling is to steer to the left. In effect, you have initiated a left-turn by using a right turn i.e. countersteering.

I believe that people think they can turn a bike without countersteering because the forces required to initiate a low-speed turn as so very small they simply don't notice them.

As an example, if you tried to stand a sportsbike up on it's fully-inflated tyres wthout falling over, you would find it impossible, but theoretically it IS possible if you could find the perfect balancing point. You could try for hours and perhaps get it standing for a few seconds but eventually it will fall over, so small is the force required to unbalance it. When you are moving slowly you have so little rotating inertia forces (the wheels turning) to stabilise the bike that you need only the tiniest infintessimal amount of countersteer to shift the center-of-mass and initiate a turn, that people think it's not necessary.