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zaknafien




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PostPosted: 23:30 - 14 Oct 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

The USA see's itself as the enforcers of the world yes, the most powerful always do.

China will be the next top dog.
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PostPosted: 02:18 - 15 Oct 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

The hypocrisy of it gets me, We can have them because we are free and democratic, but your race/culture of people that have grown up under completely different conditions and variables do not share our "values" and as such must be unstable,

In a nuclear war there are no winners,

What would Kim Jong-IL have to gain from starting a war with america? To whipe out that nice little vestiage of dictatorship and absolute control he has carved himself out of the blood of the people (which is the only outcome in a nuclear war with america). Or maybe he is acting to protect himself (i would say and his people but he doesent give a fuck...) the only way possible nowadays with the Bush Crusades.

But i suppose the "WMD's" we hear about everywhere are just another enabler in the eyes of the public for war.
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PostPosted: 15:01 - 15 Oct 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

zaknafien wrote:
The USA see's itself as the enforcers of the world yes, the most powerful always do.


In the past less enforcers more of a Police deterant. The 12 Carrier Battle Groups (CVBG's) scattered around the worlds oceans have done a lot to keep the peace from hunting pirates around indonesia, Malaysia and Australasia to keeping open the Straits of hormuz and stopping the Chinese expanding further into the straits of Taiwan.

A CVBG can be considered a projection of NATO and the UN's strength. Although in use since the WW11 it is only in recent decades that they have become to be seen as an extension of American imperialism rather than a peace keeping force

zaknafien wrote:
China will be the next top dog.


Only when they build a big enough navy to patrol the globe. At present they have a huge amount of men under arms but a limited ability to deploy them to all corners of the globe quickly.

Would be nice to hear Mister James view on this.
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PostPosted: 15:43 - 15 Oct 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

Media bollocks as usual.

The US have more nuclear weapons than any other territory.

Anyone got a list of the governments that have actually used nuclear weapons?? Bet the list doesn't include Iraq, Afganistan or N. Korea.
Funny that, they are the Axis of evil, aren't they? Rolling Eyes
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PostPosted: 15:47 - 15 Oct 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

I remember reading an article about Korea in National Geographic. The concern tha the west has about N korea is simply the fact the the leader is a fucking lunatic. He has starved his country because he has poured all the nations cash into weapons and the concern is that when the country reachs completel finicial ruin he may just let loose for the hell of it. Basically read as he doesn't give a fuck
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PostPosted: 19:28 - 15 Oct 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

sickpup wrote:

Only when they build a big enough navy to patrol the globe. At present they have a huge amount of men under arms but a limited ability to deploy them to all corners of the globe quickly.


funnily enough, they are working on it

https://www.military.com/NewsContent/0,13319,FL_china_123104,00.html
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PostPosted: 19:30 - 15 Oct 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

craigie b wrote:
I remember reading an article about Korea in National Geographic. The concern tha the west has about N korea is simply the fact the the leader is a fucking lunatic. He has starved his country because he has poured all the nations cash into weapons and the concern is that when the country reachs completel finicial ruin he may just let loose for the hell of it. Basically read as he doesn't give a fuck


i think the sanctions on his country wont have helped the starving ppl much.

He was gonna buy his toys whatever.Sanctions just meant it was at the cost of the peoples food, where if there werent sanctions, he could have got food and toys.
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PostPosted: 19:49 - 15 Oct 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

How long till a second CVBG battle like the Battle of Midway?
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PostPosted: 19:58 - 15 Oct 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

sickpup wrote:
How long till a second CVBG battle like the Battle of Midway?


If they are mainly aiming to use submarines, so need to go head to head with carriers.

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PostPosted: 21:07 - 15 Oct 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well, if nobody else is up to the job of protecting the way of life we share with the Yanks, then what do you expect?

Its simply the west Vs the rest of them...
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PostPosted: 14:19 - 23 Oct 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

i know this post is a bit old but..

I heard that Nkorea's head man dont know what they call his position said that america cutting off there food supplys is an act of war. Hearing this infuriates me, if they can afford to make nuclear weapons then they should beable to feed there own fuc*ing people!
There are many more poverty struck countries in need of aid that have no money whatsover, and these bloody tits are blowing money on nuclear weapons instead of feeding there own people!
Personally I dont mind if we goto war with them over this anyone that took part in that test should be brutally killed.
The only reason to make nuclear weapons is to kill, its not just something they want to keep in the cupboard they obviously have a plan of using it on someone, and while they develope it they want the people to give them food?
What a load of ****ing ****e Evil or Very Mad
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PostPosted: 19:15 - 23 Oct 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

i disagree
one of the attractions of nuclear weapons is that if you have them, no one can push you around anymore or invade you

if you use them, you will have lost as you will then be annhilated by others.

The only reason america got to use them was no one else had them at the time.

Its unlikely that a nation state would attack with nuclear weapons as they would then be destroyed in the counter attack.

terrorists is another matter

if north korea bloke didnt have nuclear weapons, his country might not have survived as he may have been invaded like Iraq or Afghanistan.

Americas idea of foreign policy is 'you are either with us or against us'. This translates as, if you dont do what we say, we reserve the right to bomb the fuck out of you.

Even Pakistan which is pretty much with america now, admitted that america had threatened to bomb them into the stone age if they didnt do what they wanted to help with afghanistan and al quaeda.
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PostPosted: 21:03 - 23 Oct 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

Also please note how the UN Headquarters is in New York Thumbs Up Wierd huh! Laughing
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PostPosted: 08:33 - 24 Oct 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

colin1 wrote:
Even Pakistan which is pretty much with america now, admitted that america had threatened to bomb them into the stone age if they didnt do what they wanted to help with afghanistan and al quaeda.


They wouldn't have needed many bombs for that...lol..sorry bad joke.
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PostPosted: 08:46 - 24 Oct 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

China already run the world.

They currently have the USA in such a debt that they would have to give 2/3 of their gross national wealth to China to make it back up. They have the biggest, cheapest labour force with little interest in human rights and humanitarian work ethics. China is already the top dog, get used to it, when it hits it's stride you may find that you've got to learn a very difficult new language.
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PostPosted: 09:06 - 24 Oct 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

Agree with above post. The grand O'l USofA is old hat now. I'm already preparing myself for Chinese domination. Going to start a Module in Mandarin next year. If you are of the new generation, it is a good idea to plan ahead and get learning Chinese now, even if you don't want it to happen, it will. All we can do is embrace it.

The USA is going into meltdown. 60% of the world hates them* and a new "superpower" is coming to the hold.

(*Not strictly fact, more imaginative thought.)

As for N.Korea, well. I don't really know how they could wage a war on the other side of the world when they already have troops dying in Afghanistan and Iraq.

I still believe Nuclear warfare is a distinct possibility. However the USA won't initiate it. It will be N.Korea and no amount of MAD will stop the leader of N.Korea to stand back with threats. Smile
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PostPosted: 09:27 - 24 Oct 2006    Post subject: Re: Do USA run the world? Reply with quote

Drew wrote:
we just joined in because of Blair.


We'd have joined in whether the Conservatives or Labour were in power, because that's what they've always done, lick America's arse...think back to Maggie Thatcher....she was JUST as bad as Blair!
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PostPosted: 09:29 - 24 Oct 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

North Korea and Iran are small frys. So what it if they are playing with big fireworks? Three nukes and they would be gone.
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PostPosted: 11:18 - 24 Oct 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

lilredmachine wrote:
North Korea and Iran are small frys. So what it if they are playing with big fireworks? Three nukes and they would be gone.

Yeah but the UN would step in before the US of A got the bomber planes off the run way. All this human rights bollocks! Laughing
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PostPosted: 16:20 - 26 Oct 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

When ever the USA has a war it costs them billions and weakens their economy. That combined with many huge natural disasters lately must be draining their coffers. Probably why they aren't that willing to cancel out foreign debt.

I am not sure that they are as strong as they used to be. They are stronger because of their allies. Whether another strong force will get enough allies & come to power still remains to be seen. Conan O'Brien would make a better president than Bush. Laughing
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PostPosted: 16:27 - 26 Oct 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

IronMaiden wrote:
That combined with many huge natural disasters lately must be draining their coffers. Probably why they aren't that willing to cancel out foreign debt.


The current US national debt stands at around 8 Trillion dollars.
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PostPosted: 19:49 - 26 Oct 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

yeah but its a bit like having a mortgage, as long as the house is worth more than the mortgage you are doing good

americas assets are worth more than their liabilities (debts)
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PostPosted: 21:52 - 26 Oct 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

zaknafien wrote:
IronMaiden wrote:
That combined with many huge natural disasters lately must be draining their coffers. Probably why they aren't that willing to cancel out foreign debt.


The current US national debt stands at around 8 Trillion dollars.

There is a solution - hire Bill Gates to government and pay it back with his bank interest Thumbs Up Laughing
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PostPosted: 23:30 - 26 Oct 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

colin1 wrote:
yeah but its a bit like having a mortgage, as long as the house is worth more than the mortgage you are doing good

americas assets are worth more than their liabilities (debts)


barely. If it was a house, the bank would have foreclosed on it by now.
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