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PostPosted: 09:23 - 23 Oct 2006    Post subject: So, just as a giggle... Reply with quote
Right i went out on the bike saturday as i was home for the weekend, and went for a nice little thrash.

Was going up the A507 in a rather spirited (about 130+) manner, when literally 100 yards from a minor T junction i saw the chevrons come up to the line.

Oh bugger thinks i, then thinking fuck it i wound it fully on (from the side they aint got your plate, so the trick is to get as far away as possible before they can get out and behind you).

But as i got closer i read the immortal words 'community support officer' Laughing and promptly pissed myself laughing

Now, just how much are you allowed to rip the piss out of them? Had i slowed down would they have pulled me? Can they pull me? Or is their best effort radioing in backup from proper bacon?

Just curious is all.
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PostPosted: 09:27 - 23 Oct 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote
Hmm yeah this also prompts a question from me - what real power do those Highways Agency folks have?
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PostPosted: 09:29 - 23 Oct 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote
Syx wrote:
Hmm yeah this also prompts a question from me - what real power do those Highways Agency folks have?


None, they are there to assist with the smooth flow of traffic.

It really hacks me off when I'm doing 90 - 95 in a line of cars and some muppet spots a Highways Agency car and slows to 70. Twisted Evil Twisted Evil Twisted Evil Twisted Evil
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PostPosted: 10:39 - 23 Oct 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote
i know how that feels, i was with my dad on the M1 when there was a highways agency 4x4 which pulled on to the slow lane, so everybody slowed to 50-ish, then it went onto hard shoulder and everybody went up to 70 again.
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PostPosted: 11:30 - 23 Oct 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote
It really does annoy me when people spot a womble and slow down.

(They clean up after accidents, and make good use of the things that they find).

PCSOs don't have power of arrest, if they got your plate and caught your speed then I bet that their word stands up in court as well as a 'proper' policeman.

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PostPosted: 13:26 - 23 Oct 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote
Gazdaman wrote:
It really does annoy me when people spot a womble and slow down.

(They clean up after accidents, and make good use of the things that they find).

PCSOs don't have power of arrest, if they got your plate and caught your speed then I bet that their word stands up in court as well as a 'proper' policeman.

Gaz


you have a premade defence , in that they are obviously not police , therefore they can't hackit as police therefore their evidevce is unreliable ,

much like that loop hole guy he attacks integrity of the cops , they should be smarter the cops and write down everything before they say anything in court as some of the people he has defended should not have gotten off.

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PostPosted: 10:29 - 24 Oct 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote
I'd be interested to see what would happen in court.

Like some high ranking officer got a written warning yesterday for driving for 8 miles in the pissing rain on his phone.

An army bloke followed him to his station and reported him.

They said he couldn't be charged with an offence because only a police officer can report it.

I wonder if a PCSO could do such a thing.

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PostPosted: 12:40 - 25 Oct 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote
gsxrmick wrote:
Syx wrote:
Hmm yeah this also prompts a question from me - what real power do those Highways Agency folks have?

None, they are there to assist with the smooth flow of traffic.


Your actually wrong there. (well in Hampshire anyway).
Highways agency vehicles in hampshire are now fitted with the same VASCAR system as Police and they are trained in their use (and to a certain driving standard) and are allowed to stop people for speeding (although certain rules are in place regarding high speed persuits etc)
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PostPosted: 13:08 - 25 Oct 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote
I worry more that they'll radio ahead to an actual police unit.
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PostPosted: 13:48 - 25 Oct 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote
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Was going up the A507 in a rather spirited (about 130+) manner, when literally 100 yards from a minor T junction i saw the chevrons come up to the line.

So, you're travelling at 130mph approaching a minor T junction - wow, you're good!! Shocked
And then you see a car approach the give way line in the junction up ahead - no surprise there then, that a car might come out of this junction. Lucky they stopped and didn't pull out in front of you really wasn't it ? Cos at that speed your 'thinking' distance, before you've even had a chance to apply the brakes is 43 yards when you're only literally 100 yards away (your words)! I don't know what the actual speed limit was on the road you were on, but even assuming that it was a dual carriageway with a minor T-junction off it then if you had been travelling at 70mph your total stopping distance would have been 105 yards (23 yards thinking distance and 82 yards braking distance). You wouldn't have stood a chance at 130mph.

What that means is that regardless of it being a Police Car, Police Community Support Officer , Highways Agency Traffic Officer or even just a member of the public going about their day then you were riding like a twat! Evil or Very Mad There's a time and a place for everything and it wasn't there. Learn how to ride sensibly and stay alive. As for this:
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But as i got closer i read the immortal words 'community support officer' and promptly pissed myself laughing

I presume that what you meant to say was that you read the now familiar or commonplace words 'community support officer' as opposed to immortal. The one thing that neither you or they are is immortal!!
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PostPosted: 16:32 - 25 Oct 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote
Gazdaman wrote:
I'd be interested to see what would happen in court.

Like some high ranking officer got a written warning yesterday for driving for 8 miles in the pissing rain on his phone.

An army bloke followed him to his station and reported him.

They said he couldn't be charged with an offence because only a police officer can report it.

I wonder if a PCSO could do such a thing.

Gaz


UNBELIVEABLE!! Of course all enforcers of the law are exempt from it Rolling Eyes

Anyone can report a crime?!
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PostPosted: 17:30 - 25 Oct 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote
david916 wrote:
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Was going up the A507 in a rather spirited (about 130+) manner, when literally 100 yards from a minor T junction i saw the chevrons come up to the line.

So, you're travelling at 130mph approaching a minor T junction - wow, you're good!! Shocked
And then you see a car approach the give way line in the junction up ahead - no surprise there then, that a car might come out of this junction. Lucky they stopped and didn't pull out in front of you really wasn't it ? Cos at that speed your 'thinking' distance, before you've even had a chance to apply the brakes is 43 yards when you're only literally 100 yards away (your words)! I don't know what the actual speed limit was on the road you were on, but even assuming that it was a dual carriageway with a minor T-junction off it then if you had been travelling at 70mph your total stopping distance would have been 105 yards (23 yards thinking distance and 82 yards braking distance). You wouldn't have stood a chance at 130mph.

What that means is that regardless of it being a Police Car, Police Community Support Officer , Highways Agency Traffic Officer or even just a member of the public going about their day then you were riding like a twat! Evil or Very Mad There's a time and a place for everything and it wasn't there. Learn how to ride sensibly and stay alive. As for this:
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But as i got closer i read the immortal words 'community support officer' and promptly pissed myself laughing

I presume that what you meant to say was that you read the now familiar or commonplace words 'community support officer' as opposed to immortal. The one thing that neither you or they are is immortal!!


Neutral

Oooooooooook.

A) its the A507, a very fast twisty NSL road.

B) if you career straight out of a junction without looking it makes you both a twat and liable to die. So they tend to look.

C) It was on the other side of the road so they get a good view Wink

D) Immortal is a turn of phrase.
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PostPosted: 18:06 - 25 Oct 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote
Sorry mate, that's just irresponsible. I'm assuming you don't have kids?

A- So what? You're telling me accidents don't happen on NSL roads?

B - Oh really? That's news to me.

C - Are you serious or just trying to wind us up?

D - Which only exists in fiction or the minds of madmen.

I'm guessing that my tax will be paying for a fire crew to come and wipe your internal organs off the road real soon. I really hope not.
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PostPosted: 19:15 - 25 Oct 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote
shut up saftey freaks -.- if the guy wants to do 130 upto a minor T junction let him, hey i wouldnt mind doing 130 upto a T junction but unfortunaly my bike tops out at 120 which is gay and the brakes aint the best that has ever grased a motorcycle
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PostPosted: 19:16 - 25 Oct 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote
Sloces wrote:
Your actually wrong there. (well in Hampshire anyway).
Highways agency vehicles in hampshire are now fitted with the same VASCAR system as Police and they are trained in their use (and to a certain driving standard) and are allowed to stop people for speeding (although certain rules are in place regarding high speed persuits etc)

That's what I was afraid of Sad. I hope the guys in the Midlands can't do that yet!
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PostPosted: 19:20 - 25 Oct 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote
Sloces wrote:


Your actually wrong there. (well in Hampshire anyway).
Highways agency vehicles in hampshire are now fitted with the same VASCAR system as Police and they are trained in their use (and to a certain driving standard) and are allowed to stop people for speeding (although certain rules are in place regarding high speed persuits etc)


Nice to know you have no understanding of law.

Only Policemen can provide primary evidence in speeding cases.
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As far as I'm concerned I've seen nothing to inform me that Highways Agency officer's are Police officer's and therefore they can not perform the role of an officer, if one try's to pull me over I will ignore it.

Interestingly I saw one sitting in one of the area's at the side of the M1, which was for "Police Patrol Vehicles Only". I was quite tempted to report it as impersonating a Police vehicle/officer which I beleive is an arrestable offence.

Is anyone able to clarify this, in particular what power's they hold?
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PostPosted: 19:50 - 25 Oct 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote
phk6 wrote:
shut up saftey freaks -.- if the guy wants to do 130 upto a minor T junction let him, hey i wouldnt mind doing 130 upto a T junction


Would you say the same if it was your wife or child, brother, sister or parent that was killed because a bike buries itself into the side of their car? Would it be their own stupid fault for not seeing the bike?

You are a fool.
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PostPosted: 19:56 - 25 Oct 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote
Cortez:
How do you know he doesn't have a degree of skill to his riding that means you (who I note it appears hasn't been riding for long) wouldn't actually be more likely to cause an accident than him at much high speeds?

If a car pulls out infront of a bike at what point does it stop being the fault of the bike in your eyes?
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CortezTheKiller wrote:
phk6 wrote:
shut up saftey freaks -.- if the guy wants to do 130 upto a minor T junction let him, hey i wouldnt mind doing 130 upto a T junction


Would you say the same if it was your wife or child, brother, sister or parent that was killed because a bike buries itself into the side of their car? Would it be their own stupid fault for not seeing the bike?

You are a fool.


no id probly be upset fair enough, but also to some point it would of been a mistake on their behalf for not spending long enough looking for bikes, since my dad used to bike in his early years and my older brother has rode a ped for 3 years and my mother having a husband who rode bikes, and a 22 year old son who rode a moped for 3 years and a 17 year old son who rode 2 peds for a year and a half and then got a 500 and who is absoluotly happy on 2 wheels i presume they would look out for bike traveling at a high speed, when leaving a junction...

and since i have about 30,000 miles under my belt and have only been on the road for about 2 years i think i have enough experiance to judge when im going to fast for a situation.
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PostPosted: 20:07 - 25 Oct 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote
G wrote:
Cortez:
How do you know he doesn't have a degree of skill to his riding that means you (who I note it appears hasn't been riding for long) wouldn't actually be more likely to cause an accident than him at much high speeds?

If a car pulls out infront of a bike at what point does it stop being the fault of the bike in your eyes?

come on... i don't ride at all - but cortez is right. I'm not a "saftey freak" as some so bluntly put it, but to be honest there is no point pointing the finger at people. Ok, so the biker is not necessarily in the wrong if there was an accident - but wouldn't it be better to prevent the accident rather than point the finger later? To be honest... if you crash and die - you won't be able to point the finger. Smile
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come on... i don't ride at all - but cortez is right.

I didn't suggest he was right or wrong. I asked a couple of questions.

Do you even ride a motorbike on the road yet?

I've seen a lot of people of a lot of skill levels ride at a lot of different speeds.
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roadbusters.com wrote:

come on... i don't ride at all - but cortez is right.

I didn't suggest he was right or wrong. I asked a couple of questions.

Do you even ride a motorbike on the road yet?

sorry.. i didn't mean it to sound like I was "contesting" your opinion. I was just stating mine in reply to your post! Very Happy

I don't ride a bike on the road yet - nearest ive come to riding a bike at all was riding pillion on my dads cbr600f... and that was only about two times as well Embarassed Embarassed

G wrote:
I've seen a lot of people of a lot of skill levels ride at a lot of different speeds.


Its not down to YOUR skill though is it? If a car pulls out at a junction and you are going too fast to stop, no amount of skill is gonna stop you from smashing straight into them, and I have seen some horror stories at 30mph... so at over 100mph the chances of surviving are slim. Thumbs Up
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roadbusters.com wrote:

I don't ride a bike on the road yet - nearest ive come to riding a bike at all was riding pillion on my dads cbr600f... and that was only about two times as well Embarassed Embarassed

Thus I'd suggest you're not so qualified to agree that someone is a fool based on their riding.

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Its not down to YOUR skill though is it? If a car pulls out at a junction and you are going too fast to stop, no amount of skill is gonna stop you from smashing straight into them, and I have seen some horror stories at 30mph... so at over 100mph the chances of surviving are slim. Thumbs Up

Part of the skill is in knowing what situations you can go fast in and what you can't. Just because you are doing a slower speed doesn't always mean you are a safer rider.
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G wrote:
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How do you know he doesn't have a degree of skill to his riding that means you (who I note it appears hasn't been riding for long) wouldn't actually be more likely to cause an accident than him at much high speeds?

If a car pulls out infront of a bike at what point does it stop being the fault of the bike in your eyes?


I wondered when the 'You haven't been riding long enough to understand' post would appear. As far as I'm concerned, it has nothing to do with the length of time a rider has been riding. Don't bikers with ten or fifteen years' experience get killed then? It has a lot more to do with common sense. Phil suggests in his follow up post that he would "presume the car driver had seen him". Even if he has been riding longer than me, which of course he has, that is a grossly naive assumption to make. I wonder how many dead bikers must have thought to themselves "I was sure they had seen me" as they buried themselves head first into a tree or the side of a car.

And in response to your question about fault, clearly if a rider who is publicly wishing he could ride past a t-junction at 130 miles per hour, or a rider that does that sort of speed in potentially dangerous situations, then it's clearly the biker's fault, in my opinion regardless of whether the car driver saw the bike. If the rider is doing 40 in a 40 zone and the car doesn't see the bike, it has to be the driver's fault. It's a grey area at what speed above the legal limit it becomes automatically the rider's fault, but it is a redundant argument if the rider is lying dead in the road, don't you think.

From what your comments imply, G, you don't seem to be showing an awful lot of reason. Surely the most important lesson Phil can learn is never to presume anything and don't ride past junctions at ridiculous speeds. You don't need to be a life-long biker to realise that.

I am by no means an anti-speeding fascist and I couldn't claim to ride or drive within the speed limit either. But I can tell a stupid argument when I see one. And wishing that he could ride at 130mph plus past a t-junction is ridiculous, regardless of how long he, you or I have been riding.
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