Scottish Independance...

[JonB]

https://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/6182762.stm

Would Britain /really/ suffer if Scotland were to become independent. If you ask me I think the Scots would be worse off by a long mile.

However, what implications would Scottish Independence have? Would we need our passports to cross the border into Scotland?

Would Scotland be recognised as it's own country and be welcomed into the EU community?

I'm confused as to why Scots would actually want independence from Britain.
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[Kickstart]

Hi

As a not really patriotic person, I do not really see the point. However if you are going to get screwed over by politicians then better that they are local ones I suspect.

Money wise I think Scotland would be rather worse off (suspect Wales would be far worse off if they tried the same).

All the best

Keith
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[zaknafien]

Couldn't do it militarily so to do it by vote is the only option.

Cue flames.
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[JonB]

I just can't get it round in my head how Scotland would benefit.

Everything that keeps britain's economy glowing is in England. Top Universities. Industrial production (although not much of that goes on in England now).

I honestly think if Scotland broke off from England it wouldn't affect England all that much.
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[froggeh]

[JonB]

[Aikman666]

Aberdeen is still the biggest base for many of the oil companies in Europe. And if theres one thing that is worth money and will appreciate more in the future its oil. What exactly does England have going for it?

I also think that you'll find our Universities are becoming more popular than those in England due to the rediculous 'Top up fees' shite you have going on down there. Plus our country is so much nicer
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[techierob]

if I had the option of a different national parliament or if I could swap the parliament in westminster for the one in brussels, then I'd take it. The republic of ireland and the isle of man don't seem any worse off for it.
Not that I'm particularly fond of being controlled by a european parliament, but I'd much rather answer to a government in brussels than one in washington

[feef]

The fact that scotland is subsidised is no longer true, and has not been for over 30 years. at one time, we were.. but not any more.

Though the unionist parties are keen to talk about spending in Scotland, they are less keen to admit to what Scotland pays the UK Treasury every year

some examples...

scotland....
...has the EU's 4th biggest financial centre
...has three quarters of the EU's oil reserves
...provides the UK Treasury with one of its biggest single sources of revenue - whisky duty
...produces 30% of branded PCs made in Europe
...is number 4 internationally for fund management
...currently exports around 25% of its electricity to England, Wales and Northern Ireland

By the UK Government's own admission in 1997, Scotland paid £27 billion more in taxes to the UK between 1979 and 1995 than it received in Government expenditure.

And, in the period between 2000 and 2002, Scotland sent another £7.7 billion surplus to Westminster - almost another £1,500 for every man woman and child.

Anti-Independence commentators often talk about the Barnett formula, by which public spending is allocated to different parts of the UK, as evidence that Scotland gets a good deal.

In fact, the Barnett formula is designed to ensure that public spending goes up by less in Scotland than it does in the UK as a whole. For instance, a 10% increase in public expenditure on relevant English programmes will yield, via Barnett, only an 8.1% increase in the money which the Scottish Parliament is allocated to spend in those areas. That’s what is meant by the "Barnett Squeeze". Over the next three years, the Barnett Squeeze will mean that Scotland loses out on £2 billion in government spending increases. Devolution, which aimed to allow for divergence between the way government operates in Scotland and the rest of the UK, is in fact constrained by a formula which is designed to ensure a convergence in government spending.

Also, let's supposing it's TRUE that scotland is subsidised.. does that not show that the government has been mis-managing the finances in scotland, and IF we were such a drain, why wouldn't they want t ogive scotland full independace to relieve themselves of the defecit we cause. They will not give scotland independance, cos they can't afford to. We provide too much for the english pot.

If Scotland and England split off, England would probably suffer more from the loss than Scotland.

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[mchaggis]

https://www.bikechatforums.com/files/overview_-_oil_locations.jpg


https://www.og.dti.gov.uk/information/bb_updates/maps/index.htm

See The Continental Shelf (Jurisdictional) Order 1968 for distribution between Scotland and England. I have marked up on the above map the approximate border. Scotland has everything North of the line. That was approximately 90% of the oil reserves.

https://www.un.org/Depts/los/LEGISLATIONANDTREATIES/PDFFILES/GBR_1968_Order892.pdf

There are increasing numbers discoveries being made in Scottish waters too, most importantly a recent discovery by BP West of Shetland, and Reach (an exploration company started and run by a couple on their own a couple of years ago) recently discovered a field in the Moray Firth, which is being produced by Chevron I believe.

[zaknafien]

See, this is what happens when you goad the Scottish out of their private forum, the karma and delusions of grandeur fly everywhere.
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[JonB]

[mchaggis]

Look at you English folk getting all hot under the collar! It's a just a red blob (tit for tat too) and there wasn't even anything especially abrasive said.

Scotland would be a lot richer without England, though a lot poorer in many ways too. England would just be a lot poorer without Scotland.

The West Lothian question always makes me smirk. I don't think Scottish MP's should be voting on England and Wales specific issues, but it is good for a chuckle as the English MPs get so worked up about it.
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[Kickstart]

[stinkwheel]

Keith is correct. It goes more like this. But only since 1999 when the sea border was redefined prior to Scottish devolution.

[Mr.Everready]

[stinkwheel]

Oil revenue notwithstanding, I would prefer that Scotland was not assosciated with the exploits of the UK parliment.

Scottish fiscal autonomy is not far away and is getting closer even if oil revenues are not taken into consideration. With the growth of 'green' power and projected shortages in resources such as water, I think Scotland would be better off on her own in the near future, England will begin to be a drag to progress.

The ability to decide foreign policy is one power that has not been devolved. The UK parliment has an English majority so these decisions are made for the UK as a whole or more reallistically, with regard to what suits England. This is not necessarily the same thing that suits Scotland.

I would like to see Scotland adopting a more Scandinavian attitude, including withdrawal from the EU.

[mchaggis]

Aha. My mistake. I misread that document. I thought it said a single latitude, so that's what I drew.

https://www.opsi.gov.uk/si/si1999/19991126.htm

https://www.bikechatforums.com/files/99112601.gif
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