GATSO & Human Rights!

[meenie]

If you don't read or havent seen this weeks MCN newspaper, there is an article that caught my attention. Clearly I can't repeat the article due to copyright etc, but the basic premise is this:

[Luke_Retrofly]

hmmm that could be good, as they will still get the money, which is what they are after, id rather pay a bigger fine than points any day

Luke
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[andrea]

Id rather get the fine than the points too.

Good find, may come in useful

[Wafer_Thin_Ham]

They reckon the speeder is guarenteed a win. They had one in australia recently. So now they've had t re-do the system out there so it's only a civil offence.
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[plugger147]

I didn't realise that the 2 guy's were still at it, I hope they do have some luck with this they've been at it for a while. Wish I'd have had the money and time to do it myself last time I got done.

This would not only apply to gatso's though it could be used for any nip offence. (traffic lights,scamera van's)

When I got done I strung it out as long as I could, thought I'd got away with it then 3 days before the 6 month's was up I got a court date for traffic offence and s172 (not giving drivers detail's) both at the same time.

All I can see it doing though is changing the procedure they use for prosecuting drivers.
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[keokai]

Within UK law, we still maintain the right to remain silent however,
the government got around this when they changed the caution to include the following:

'you do not have to say anything. But it may harm your defence if you do not mention when questioned something which you later rely on in court.'

It will be interesting to see how the EC Law which is superior to UK law will take this interpretation to protect Human Rights aspect and how they will rule on this matter.

[Mrs Kickstart]

Hi,

"Within UK law, we still maintain the right to remain silent" however this does not realy apply to the S172 request sent out for speeding(etc) offences as if you complete they will use it as a confession in court. If you do not they prosecute you for not filling it in.

Hence the confession was made under druress (threat of criminal penalty)

It will probabaly be a few months yet before it is sorted but this is is one of several legal defences to a nasty note from the scammera. Should you get one ,do your research before responding.

It will apply to all camera offences where the only way to know who was driving is if they confess.

Regards
Charlotte
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[plugger147]

The problem I had was that they took me to court for both (speeding and s172)at the same time, I spent age's on piepoo(sp) and spoke with a solicitor and everyone said the same thing.

I would have to incriminate myself for speeding to defend the s172 charge, the normal route was at the time to be taken to court for just the s172 not both. At least at the end of it my fine went to the court not the scamera's.
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Tristan the wrote: just whipped off my trousers to find a big bruise on my arse, caused by matt rear ending me...

[keokai]

In light of Mrs Kickstarts post, I am wondering that there maybe an argument for silence on the grounds that the situation is so complex that that it would be unreasonable in those circumstanes to give an anwser; I can see why Art.6 maybe relied on.

Just a thought, I'm off today

[helmethead]

l really hope that this nazi government get their arse kicked big time in the european cort over this issue.Did you read Richard Hammonds' item in MCN about this camera infested nation- wise words from the little guy.Personally, l'd like to see every one of the bastard cameras crushed and l'm sick of hearing the same bullshit from rospa,brake and all the other safety groups bleating about how they save lives and that all motorists are one step away from being butchering monsters each time we go out on the roads. LONG LIVE CAPTAIN GATSO!! .|..
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[Walloper]

GATSO, TRUVELO, SPECS, RADAR, LASER etc.
All there because too many selfish cnuts do not know what a safe speed is.

As I have said, these devices are put there after accidents or complaint from police or locals.

They operate to save life and limb.

What part of that isn't understood?

DON'T GET ANGRY....

SLOW DOWN.....!
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[Kickstart]

They should only be put there after accidents where speed was a factor. However they just throw them where they want.

And the locals round here are being would up to demand them by an ambitous minor politician.

All the best

Keith
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[mr jamez]

A bit silly placing so much faith in the current safety policy, cameras and lasers when every year we see them making no noticeable difference.

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[Walloper]

[mr jamez]

Are the brakes in a decent condition? Have the tyres got plenty of tread? is the driver paying attention to the road or looking at his speedo?

Sorry what speed were they going again? as the above has more bearing on whether I would survive or not, impact not free travelling speed remember

Perhaps if people considered learning how to cross a road they wouldn't end up standing in front of a moving car.
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[Kickstart]

[Retro-Man]

the only effect sticking to the speed limit has had on me is that I go comatose and fall asleep at the wheel....


I'd take my chances with an alert driver doing 40mph against a comatose driver doing 30 mph any day
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[Walloper]

OK
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[Walloper]

[Retro-Man]

problem is your assuming a direct link between accidents and speed, if this were the case then all the accidents would be on motorways????

Speed is played on by the government and safety nazis because they fail to have the intelligence to understand the true cause of accidents.

poor levels of spatial awareness and poor overall driving standards, the only time speed has any factor is if it is being used when not appropriate.

As the old wise saying goes its not speed itself that kills just the incorrect use of speed that kills"

the base of the matter is that if the government admitted that there was no direct link between speed and accidents they would fail to have any reason to keep putting up new scameras.
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[Retro-Man]

[mr jamez]

[Retro-Man]

AGREE

What is actually a very complex issue that all road users need to take some responsibilty for is over simplified by the safety nazis as " cut your speed" "speed kills"
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