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gavin
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PostPosted: 00:03 - 07 Nov 2006    Post subject: chain lube slows you down..... Reply with quote

ive tried just about everything, but dont really like any of them, they all seem to fling initially and then stick fast to the chain, and everything else. and then all kinds of crap sticks to the chain.

ive come to the conclusion that cleaning all the goo from various lubes and waxes of the bike is more costly in time and money than just giving it a light oiling once a week, so i tried it yesterday when i cleaned the bike, cleaned all the grit filled goo off the chain and oiled it on the paddock stand, wiping off the excess with a clean rag. nice clean looking chain, no mess on the bike.

rode into work today, and bugger me if it wasnt faster and smoother as well. now i know a well lubed chain is worth a couple of bhp on the dyno, and they say you cant feel a difference of less than 5bhp with the seat of your pants, but this was more than that, it was picking the front wheel up all the time, when it wasnt before, it was noticably quicker.

so...is oiling the way to go, or is there a good lube out there that dosent attract all the grit and coat the bike in crud? or slow the bike down! any opinions?

p.s. i dont want a scottoiler!
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PostPosted: 00:06 - 07 Nov 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

Why don't you want a scotoiler (or similar device)? I fail to see what earthly difference there can be between putting the oil on yourself or allowing an automatic device to do it for you (in a far more regulated way).

I oil my chains.
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PostPosted: 09:17 - 07 Nov 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

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PostPosted: 12:34 - 07 Nov 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

Before I got my shaftie, I had always had chain drive bikes. I always used to lube the chain just after a ride, while the chain was still warm. That way it would run into the chain better than applying to a cold chain and you wont get as much fling off.

But I still don't understand why you don't want a Scottoiler? That is by far the best solution. No manual lubing, fewer chain ajustments and easy to fill up, works out cheaper too...almost like having a shaft drive. Wink
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PostPosted: 12:54 - 07 Nov 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

I had a Loobman on my TT6 and was very very goooood.

The reccomended way to lube one's chain with spray lube is to use normal lube when the chain is hot, and then wax once the lube has penetrated. The wax seals the oily lube in.

I've not tried this on my own bike because the Buell has a belt and the RGV only gets used once in a blue moon, but I've heard good things...
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PostPosted: 13:06 - 07 Nov 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

Any particular reason you don't want a Scottoiler? They really do make your life much easier.. by using an automatically regulated flow of light oil on the chain, the 'oiler helps keep the chain cleaner as well as lubricated.

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PostPosted: 16:58 - 07 Nov 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

Scottoilers definitely do rock.

I have one on my Africa Twin with a tube running off to a big bottle under the seat acting as the resevoir. The bottle needs refilling with old engine oil every 2,000 miles and the chain adjusting every 4,000 miles or so - and that's it, even with harsh offroad abuse in sandy conditions. Brilliant... Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 17:02 - 07 Nov 2006    Post subject: Re: chain lube slows you down..... Reply with quote

gavin wrote:
and they say you cant feel a difference of less than 5bhp with the seat of your pants, but this was more than that, it was picking the front wheel up all the time, when it wasnt before, it was noticably quicker.


Figure I heard is that under 10% is virtually impossible to tell from the seat of the pants dyno. Most of what people feel is the impression of more top end power they get from destroying the low down power by badly setting up the fueling / dodgy design of exhaust.

But is the 5hp (say) gain from a well lubed chain 5hp at peak power, or at lower revs. For example if it gave you 5hp at 30mph in top gear then that is probably a 20% power gain.

Presume the gain is actually related to wheel speed.

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PostPosted: 17:41 - 07 Nov 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

feef wrote:
Any particular reason you don't want a Scottoiler?


honestly? just vanity, i dont want all that clobber on my bike!

but more importantly, most of the bikes i see running scottoilers in london are grubby as hell - i dont like the psychology of "fit and forget" maintenence, i think its a false economy.....while you're not checking the chain weekly, what else is going awry? - id rather spend an hour at the weekend cleaning the bike and checking and lubing things myself, for the peace of mind.

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But is the 5hp (say) gain from a well lubed chain 5hp at peak power, or at lower revs. For example if it gave you 5hp at 30mph in top gear then that is probably a 20% power gain.


what ive seen is a fairly constant improvement, a uniform increase right across the range. simple things can give amazing results, try a dyno run on your bike, then lever back the rear pads and slacken the rear axle off, tightening it back up till the wheel stops spinning freely, then back it off 1/4 turn ( probably 1/2-3/4 recommended torque figure ) and see how much power you get!

a couple of years back at the Performance Bikes 250 shootout at Bruntingthorpe my rgv was sick- dead battery and p/v's not working, i did all of this and posted the best stock terminal and 1/4 mile times, beating half the race bikes as well! Laughing
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PostPosted: 18:03 - 07 Nov 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

gavin wrote:
feef wrote:
Any particular reason you don't want a Scottoiler?


honestly? just vanity, i dont want all that clobber on my bike!

but more importantly, most of the bikes i see running scottoilers in london are grubby as hell - i dont like the psychology of "fit and forget" maintenance, i think its a false economy.....while you're not checking the chain weekly, what else is going awry? - id rather spend an hour at the weekend cleaning the bike and checking and lubing things myself, for the peace of mind.


I've got a scottoiler on my SV and it's always kept spotless - Just because you have one fitted doesn't suddenly make you lapse on maintenance overnight. All it does is ensure it's lubed. You still have to visually inspect the chain every now and then and make sure it's providing the right amount of oil.

As to 'all that clobber'. What clobber? The only evidence one is on my bike at a quick glance is a stretch of clear tubing that is left 'loose' just behind the footpeg so it can bend easily with the pivot, yet without getting caught in the chain. It wouldn't take much to hide it better if you desired. I've left it visible as I do a fair amount of miles and want to check for air bubbles etc easily. The actual injector is hidden out of the way under the swingarm - it's the larger 'dual' injector setup to Thumbs Up

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PostPosted: 23:51 - 07 Nov 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

Mine aint that neat-been meaning to sort it out for ages, but aint started to get the effort required yet... Wink


Got the same setup as e3d, but with the Magnum HCR res under the number plate. I, however, didnt lapse on maintanance overnight, I never did much from the start. Wink My view is that a S/O is better than me not doing much at all.
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PostPosted: 11:47 - 08 Nov 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

I use a light spray rathe rthna a heavy lube.
I've done 14000miles on my castrated GPZ and adjusted the chain twice.

Are you spraying it before or after you ride?
makes a difference.

I recently rode up to uni in the pishing wet (80mile) the rain and spray stripped my chain bare, I had no lube with me so had to put GeePerZ away as was. When I next went to ride the chain was rusty and seized up, managed to use some cooking oil to free it up enough to limp to a bike shop, was slapping and making strange sounds all the way..

Having no lube deffinetly didnt speed me up..

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