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ginny wrote: | [Legal babble] |
Give over, you daft tart. That excuse washes for Cash Converters, but if you buy a bike off some scrote with no V5 and (I'm going to assume) no keys and obvious theft / crash damage and then don't bother doing an HPI - oh, and you're a dealer, who damn well should know better - you're stretching the bounds of reasonable doubt to breaking point.
Just because Plod and the CPS don't want to touch it doesn't mean that everyone involved knows that they were buying a stolen bike. Not caring is not the same as not guilty.
I'm pretty certain that a dealer that dodgy is going to have the bike locked up, scream "trespass!" or just set the dogs on you if you show up though. Scope it out, be prepared to call in Plod or mount a sit-in protest. Best of luck. ____________________ Biking is 1/20th as dangerous as horse riding.
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According to Citizens Advice it isn't 100% clear cut...
Who owns the goods?
If you buy stolen goods, the general rule is that you are not the legal owner. In other words, you do not have good title. This applies even if you paid a fair price and didn’t know that the goods were stolen. The person who originally owned them is still the legal owner.
The only exception to this rule is where goods are insured, such as cars. In this case, the goods would become the property of the insurance company after the real owner's claim had been paid.
What should you do if you’ve bought stolen goods?
If you know who is the rightful owner of the goods
You should inform them that you have their goods and let them take them away. If you don’t give them back, the owner can apply for a court order to make you return the goods.
If you have spent money on improving or repairing the stolen goods, you may be able to claim compensation for the value of these improvements or repairs. However, this only applies if the owner is taking court action to get their goods back. If you hand the goods back willingly, you lose the right to claim this compensation. ____________________ They're coming to take me away, ho-ho, hee-hee, ha-haaa, hey-hey,
the men in white coats are coming to take me away.
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Hypothetically, if what you are saying is correct, then you should indeed by entitled to the return of your goods, subject to legal advice.
However, I would add the words of one of my law lecturers at Uni, a serving magistrate. He always said that while turning up is good, turning up with the forward pack of the local rugby team is even better. ____________________ FZR400 (blown engine), ZXR750 (blown engine), ZX6R (accident), CBR600 which had engine issues after which I learned to change gear..., CBR900, CBR924 (stolen), CB600, CB1300 (everything blew up), BMW K1300GT (written off, hit from rear while stationary), Bandit 1250 for a couple of months, Triumph Sprint ST 1050 (nicked) and somewhere in there, I wrote off a Ducati 748 at Cadwell. |
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Although it wouldn't be good news for the OP, with the ensuing storage charges that Plod may ask for.
I still don't understand why Plod haven't seized the bike, they know it's stolen, they know where it is.
There is no "civil matter" get out clause for them, so why aren't they doing what they normally do and relocating the stolen bike to the police pound? ____________________ "Everybody needs money, that's why they call it money!" |
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parkmoy wrote: | Ownership is a civil matter so rightly the Police don't want to get involved |
Granted. They've got their detection box ticked, they're out.
parkmoy wrote: | Don't listen to the BCF cowboys, get legal advice. They won't be standing beside you in court if you break the law. |
"Civil matter".
I'd agree that you should go in legally, or go in mob handed. Just turning up and saying "Giz my bike back, mister" to a fence is likely to result in you falling down the inspection pit. ____________________ Biking is 1/20th as dangerous as horse riding.
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Dealership buys bike that has busted ignition, no keys, no documentation, and has been ragged. They fail to perform HPI or any other registration check on it. They fail to check MOT/tax history.
They then try to register it, do it up, and sell it. What utter retards. They were either hilariously stupid to the point that we should make a reality show about them, or they were bastards trying to make a nice buck off stolen property.
Sounds like capitalism to me. Rape the third world, sell the products for profit.
Fortunately we're not the third world, so walk the fuck in there with a gopro on and take back what is yours. If you want, I'll even turn up in a suit and say some big words, or even better bring along a platoon of lads in uniform ____________________ I'm autistic. That means I'm smarter than you. |
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Old Thread Alert!
The last post was made 11 years, 127 days ago. Instead of replying here, would creating a new thread be more useful? |
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