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PostPosted: 09:50 - 04 Feb 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

https://i1102.photobucket.com/albums/g458/Cheerfulgrin/biketrip.png

That's a screenshot of a trail I recorded on my bike, recorded using everytrail app on my galaxy note, this is the GPS readout, not my clocks.

102 mph, not down a big hill as you can see. Doubt all you like, I have no reason to lie Smile
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PostPosted: 10:02 - 04 Feb 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

G wrote:
Your second link says 149kph.

Somebody has put 109mph into wikipedia https://www.adiumxtras.com/images/thumbs/troll_icons_2_28891_7697_thumb.png.


yes... i would be suspicious if they all said exactly the same as there is generaly a discrepancy between individual bikes any way think that would account for the 9km/h 5.5mph difference

& Wikipedia there is a link beside that figure saying "Citation needed"

ok we have it Cheerfulgrin your bike can do 148 km/h or 91.7 using gps technology ;which is what i use... not much difference from what i said before

discrepancy between individual bikes would account for the difference
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PostPosted: 10:06 - 04 Feb 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Cheerfulgrin wrote:

That's a screenshot of a trail I recorded on my bike, recorded using everytrail app on my galaxy note, this is the GPS readout, not my clocks.

102 mph, not down a big hill as you can see. Doubt all you like, I have no reason to lie Smile

What were the wind conditions like?
At speed on the flat, aerodynamics has the biggest affect on what speed a certain hp will produce.

If you suddenly reduce the speed the bike is cutting through the air by 30mph because there's a strong tail wind, you should get a good boost in 'ground speed'.
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PostPosted: 10:15 - 04 Feb 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

G wrote:
Cheerfulgrin wrote:

That's a screenshot of a trail I recorded on my bike, recorded using everytrail app on my galaxy note, this is the GPS readout, not my clocks.

102 mph, not down a big hill as you can see. Doubt all you like, I have no reason to lie Smile

What were the wind conditions like?
At speed on the flat, aerodynamics has the biggest affect on what speed a certain hp will produce.

If you suddenly reduce the speed the bike is cutting through the air by 30mph because there's a strong tail wind, you should get a good boost in 'ground speed'.


Is it so hard to accept that maybe what I'm saying is actually true?
I've hit that speed dozens of times, windy, calm or inbetween, no sails on my bike either.

I don't remember the exact conditions on that Day, top speed is not really my interest, I just found it laughable that people will doubt what someone claims from experience so easily, I can't be arsed justifying my claims any further, I know how fast my bike goes and that's good enough for me.
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PostPosted: 10:43 - 04 Feb 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Copycat73 wrote:
G wrote:
Your second link says 149kph.

Somebody has put 109mph into wikipedia https://www.adiumxtras.com/images/thumbs/troll_icons_2_28891_7697_thumb.png.


yes... i would be suspicious if they all said exactly the same as there is generaly a discrepancy between individual bikes any way think that would account for the 9km/h 5.5mph difference

& Wikipedia there is a link beside that figure saying "Citation needed"

ok we have it Cheerfulgrin your bike can do 148 km/h or 91.7 using gps technology ;which is what i use... not much difference from what i said before

discrepancy between individual bikes would account for the difference


Except 91.7 is the distance I travelled. 102.2 mph is the speed, which it can't possibly achieve unless it's down a big hill with wind behind me according to reliable sources.
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PostPosted: 10:44 - 04 Feb 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

It doesn't seem too unreasonable to hit 102mph 'real' speed to me.

Though, looking at your graph, we see that's the only bit you even got over 90mph, which would make me question if it was a 'blip'.

What I've taken issue with is that it accelerates 'well' in the 90s - I've ridden bikes with similar and a bit more power and none would I describe such.

With the right aerodynamics triumph got a 650cc twin making around 65hp to 214mph in 1956.
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PostPosted: 10:59 - 04 Feb 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Let's just say it was a very twisty airstrip and I wasn't trying to go fast most of the time which is why it doesn't peak very high most of the time.
I will try and find a straighter airstrip in future and post results along with a weather report, but I doubt posting that would make any difference.

By pulling well to about 100 I meant I don't need a hill, wind, or anything else and it doesn't creep to 100 it goes upto it at a decent rate.

I haven't ridden anything faster, so maybe that claim maybe unjustified in others eyes, it's my opinion at the end of the day.
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PostPosted: 11:11 - 04 Feb 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Accelerates well up to around 100 mph

Then it'll be the first lardy 28bhp 250 to ever do so.
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PostPosted: 11:20 - 04 Feb 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Cheerfulgrin wrote:

By pulling well to about 100 I meant I don't need a hill, wind, or anything else and it doesn't creep to 100 it goes upto it at a decent rate.

I suspect the GSXR1000 that I had accelerated harder from 95mph than your bike does at 5mph. I'd say that was a 'decent rate'.
Hell, I'd go as far as saying my car accelerates at a 'decent rate' at that speed.

I would not say that any vehicle I've ever ridden, driven or piloted has ever accelerated at a 'decent rate' when it's under 10% away from it's Vmax.
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PostPosted: 11:35 - 04 Feb 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rogerborg wrote:
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Accelerates well up to around 100 mph

Then it'll be the first lardy 28bhp 250 to ever do so.


Hooray for hyosung then! Rolling Eyes
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PostPosted: 11:42 - 04 Feb 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

FFS - it's my own opinion, not yours or anyone elses, what words I choose are up to me.
I think I've proven the 87mph top speed to be wrong so it's all about my definition of pulling well now!

Whatever! Rolling Eyes
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PostPosted: 12:09 - 04 Feb 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Cheerfulgrin wrote:

I think I've proven the 87mph top speed to be wrong so it's all about my definition of pulling well now!

It was always about that for me.

And if it's our opinion that doesn't, why are you getting so bothered by it; after all the words we choose up to us Wink.

The graph actually doesn't make that great a point - the one peak is the only bit that actually seems to really go over 87mph.
I've had the GPS on my phone show me hitting 150mph... while running!
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PostPosted: 12:26 - 04 Feb 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

G wrote:
Cheerfulgrin wrote:

I think I've proven the 87mph top speed to be wrong so it's all about my definition of pulling well now!

It was always about that for me.

And if it's our opinion that doesn't, why are you getting so bothered by it; after all the words we choose up to us Wink.

The graph actually doesn't make that great a point - the one peak is the only bit that actually seems to really go over 87mph.
I've had the GPS on my phone show me hitting 150mph... while running!


I'd gets new phone then mate, is it an iPhone?
So my say so isn't enough, I post GPS Data and that's not enough, what would convince you of My top speed then?
It's a hyo so I'm quite sure nothing I can provide would be good Enough proof! Lol
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PostPosted: 12:45 - 04 Feb 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's a sensation - I've sorted the worst of reception issues by bending the clips back.

If you really want to convince me - two way run at somewhere with proper timing equipment.

If you'd provided GPS data that didn't have only one spike where you went over 87mph, I'd have been more convinced.
Ironic - as I wasn't even claiming it was untrue. 102mph on a GPS occasionally doesn't seem that unlikely for the right conditions on a faired bike making a smidge under 30hp.
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PostPosted: 12:55 - 04 Feb 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Cheerfulgrin wrote:


Hooray for hyosung then! Rolling Eyes


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PostPosted: 13:04 - 04 Feb 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

For proof we need a video of you riding it at 102mph for 3 mins.....backwards,dressed as Jimmy Saville while singing a Robbie Williams song (any will do, they are all equally shite)


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PostPosted: 13:43 - 04 Feb 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

I won't be providing evidence even though the last suggestion is very tempting, instead I shall continue to ride my bike how I want to and anytime I go over 87mph I will have a very Smug Grin on my face, safe in the knowledge that I have the fastest hyo 250 in the world as it can't go faster than that and defo not uphill into the wind Smile
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PostPosted: 13:59 - 04 Feb 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

See if you can get a test ride on a ZX6R and rev it to the redline in 2nd at full throttle, take spare underware Thumbs Up


I do think that given a very long run at it the GT250 can crack the ton, a mates kwaka 250 did it regularly (following her my speedo would be north of the ton, hers read higher then mine) but as for accelerating well, you need to try a proper bike, problem is that once you've had that acceleration you either shit yourself and avoid it by entering the chaps and tassels world of cruisers, or you want more and more Twisted Evil

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PostPosted: 14:33 - 04 Feb 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

I believe most 600s will do 60 in about 3 or 4 seconds, so that's twice as fast as mine, but, my 125 did 60 in about 3 minutes and the fastest car I have driven did 60 in 8 seconds, so my little bike feels pretty quick to me.

I'm looking forward to experiencing bigger bikes in future but can't see the point of something that'll do 170 tbh, most of the roads round me are too rough or bendy to go 70!
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PostPosted: 17:42 - 04 Feb 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

The Kawasaki Ninja 250 with a claimed 32bhp or 25.8bhp r/w according to the road test I read in a Spanish magazine on Holiday, would do about 102 true mph. Speedo reading over 110mph at that speed however.

I'm sure if got some road test data for the GT250R somewhere, but id expect that it would struggle to top a true 95mph in controlled test conditions. 95mph for a 4stroke 250cc bike with under 33bhp is still reasonable though, and only the fastest 125cc 2 stroke's would be able to convincingly top 100mph, and most of the Japanese sports 125's would be in the mid 90's mph as well.

I'd be happy with the performance level of the GT250R for what it is. You could look at the rare 250cc 4cyl sportsbike's and think they are massively better, but them are so focused and all the pulling power is at well over 12000rpm, so the effort needed to get a true 115 ish mph, over a 250cc twin, is in my opinion not really worth it, for an everyday bike.
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PostPosted: 18:43 - 04 Feb 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Cheerfulgrin wrote:

Except 91.7 is the distance I travelled. 102.2 mph is the speed, which it can't possibly achieve unless it's down a big hill with wind behind me according to reliable sources.


look i give up... happy ridin whatever speed or distance your doin !!!
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PostPosted: 19:55 - 04 Feb 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

On your graphs, the gradient of the speed flattens out anytime it is over 75mph.

Also, the point of 100mph, coincides to a dip in the elevation also.

As for collecting accurate data, then that peak will be neglected as an anomaly due to it's singularity, a graph showing a sustained speed, or multiple peaks would be better evidence, additionally, the GPS Co-ordinates at which that speed was reached would be beneficial to proving your point also.
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PostPosted: 20:03 - 04 Feb 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Cheerfulgrin wrote:

I'm looking forward to experiencing bigger bikes in future but can't see the point of something that'll do 170 tbh, most of the roads round me are too rough or bendy to go 70!


No no no that's not the right attitude at all.
Ya need a 100bhp plus or you don't have a
are real bike. Anything less is shite and worthless.

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PostPosted: 20:09 - 04 Feb 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Those are all fair points, but it wasn't a speed test, I offered a review of the bike from an owners point of view, then felt I had to provide evidence the bike could do 100.
I rarely go over 80ish, but that's not cos of the bike, more to do with me being a novice.
Whenever I have wanted to do 100 (indicated) it hasn't been such a struggle, that's all I was trying to illustrate.

All this fuss about the top speed is irrelevant, what I was trying to get across is that it's been a decent bike for me as restricted licence holder and I would recommend one to anyone on the 33bhp licence.
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PostPosted: 21:12 - 04 Feb 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Good bike for a 33bhp license nothing more. To be fair to you, you never said it was anymore than that. Ample top speed aswell.
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