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I don't understand? Would cyclists want to be overtaken constantly by the same group of cars then? It's completely pointless giving them a head start, you will overtake a few minutes later, then hit more lights, they overtake you, and so on. ____________________ KAWASAKIIIII |
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gorillaonabik... Nearly there...
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What is really annoying is minor traffic violations being cracked down on but the major stuff is ignored. Roll out the usual London examples:
I was hit head-on by a car driving on the wrong side of the road (while riding my motorbike). As I was on my back in the road, a police car drove past, totally ignoring me. The SoBs had to drive around the wreckage in the road. I made my own way to the hospital.
My father, an elderly pensioner, was run over by a hit-and-run driver who was breaking the law and a chartered surveyor took the registration of the vehicle concerned. The police sent the hit-and-run driver a letter. Surprisingly, the runaway driver did not take the time and trouble to write back and plod couldn't be bothered...
However, put a wheel in a bus lane and say goodbye to the contents of your wallet.
I know someone from Eastern Europe who always bought old clunkers with dubious registration plates. He would break every law under the sun but because the registration plates were not associated with him, he didn't care.
Fortunately, I ride a motorcycle in London so I avoid all the capital's money grabbing schemes. I know the free places to park, how to navigate around London etc... However, it is the lack of balance in the system which annoys. Tiny infraction - pay up. Major issue - no-one g!ves a sh!t. This is just another way to attack the innocent for miniscule infractions rather than criminals who break every law under the sun. ____________________ FZR400 (blown engine), ZXR750 (blown engine), ZX6R (accident), CBR600 which had engine issues after which I learned to change gear..., CBR900, CBR924 (stolen), CB600, CB1300 (everything blew up), BMW K1300GT (written off, hit from rear while stationary), Bandit 1250 for a couple of months, Triumph Sprint ST 1050 (nicked) and somewhere in there, I wrote off a Ducati 748 at Cadwell. |
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Walloper wrote: | I give loads of space to dudes on bicycles as I expect to be given the same when I'm on a pushbike. |
And it's great that you choose not to filter through any gap that a car wouldn't fit in.
Walloper wrote: | It would not be too difficult for cameras to detect offenders. Based on the existing tech for red-light cameras. |
Maybe ayes, maybe noes. You can get done for putting your nose just over the line, so it might just be a case of triggering on the first line when the lights are red.
But as noted, it's perfectly lawful to be in the box, and here's a corker. What if you're completely lawfully in the box (perhaps just over the line) due to the lights changing, and then some clever dick squeezes in with you while they're showing red. Flash, you both get done?
Indeed, what if a pedalist triggers it as he bombs straight through both stop lines on red? ____________________ Biking is 1/20th as dangerous as horse riding.
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I've no problem complying with the highway code...
BUT FIRST, Lets prosecute all of the cyclist jumping red lights, on the pavement, and pulling out blindly without looking, and make bicycle insurance mandatory because of the damage they do to other vehicles.
We are concentrating on introducing stupid laws blatently against legally trained road users, while protecting those who do not need any training or legal cover to use the same environment
Why doesn't this happen ? Oh yeah, we have an identifiable number plates.
Compulsory train any & all road users, prosecute those who blatantly flout the road laws (red lights jumpers ).
Until then, Boris, just shut the fuck up !! ____________________ CBF125 > Hornet 600 (x2) > CBR600F -- slowly getting better
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Minty wrote: | You are a funny guy. No, you carry on. I will carry on failing at filtering as it appears it is only a success when you are no.1 at the lights.
Question, if the front of the queue has several motorbikes/bicycles/car sat far forward indicating right, blocking your way, what do you do?? Genuinely interested as I live in South London and rocking up at the front of every set of lights simply isn't an option. You place yourself between a couple of cars a few spaces back if need be, I'll soon pass the vehicles ahead once the lights turn green |
The point of filtering is to advance progress, so if you want to judge yourself as having 'failed' because the lights turned green before you got to the front, so be it. Obviously, if the lights turn green while you're filtering you have to nudge yourself into any gap you can, while you can. {Tip: I don't filter when the lights might be going to green any time soon, although I know the lights on my commute to work so may be biased}.
If you'd been at the front of the queue before the lights turned green, you wouldn't have had to worry about that though, so it's always about making the safest and most logical choice when the situation occurs.
I'm always courteous to other road users - especially other bikers - if I filter to the front and there's another biker behind me doing the same, I move over to the left so that he can get in-front of the car as well. Likewise, I have had other bikers do that for me. You really don't want to be setting off exactly level with another vehicle.
The same goes for when I drive my car. If I see a biker or a cyclist, I move over a little and don't advance too far forward. It's clear the bike's significantly quicker than me. I don't go getting all defensive when this happens.
Then again, I haven't been around London on a bike so you're the one who has to deal with that every day - Preston is a major city, (albeit nothing on London), and I still filter to the front every day. ____________________ Left the forum. |
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Er, yeah er ok, I never mentioned not getting to the lights before they turn green but hey, nevermind, it probably all makes sense to you. Carry on, I can't be bothered anymore. ____________________ My fingers smell of your mum. |
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Minty wrote: | nevermind, it probably all makes sense to you. |
Well, once I gained some experience, I try and pass that advice on..
Really, the point comes down to this, as G and others have said:
We filter to the front, not only to be safe, but also because we get ahead of the traffic. If you're at the front, you have less to worry about (sideswiping etc).
Sometimes cars move forward into this box, which prevents us from doing this (it's far more common for bikes to do it, for the above stated reasons). These drivers are either completely oblivious, or they just don't care. And in my experience, they tend to be bmw or audi drivers.
Back on topic though, they'll steal any money they can from us. This'll play hell with your London trips if they enact it. ____________________ Left the forum. |
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Old Thread Alert!
The last post was made 11 years, 9 days ago. Instead of replying here, would creating a new thread be more useful? |
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