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I used to see feminism the same as most of you. Had a lot of heated arguments with these warrior types that seem to start an argument about everything. I'm not really talking about the bandwaggon women who hate men and are stuck up their own arse.
My guidance has come in the form of having stoned conversations and just talking things through with chilled out (lady) friends. They are calm and listen to your arguments, and have the time to calmly talk things through.
The whole rape culture thing is what got me riled up originally, but when it was explained to me that 90% of women who are raped are not dressed provocitively and a hight percentage also get raped in their own homes... Thought that was quite a staggering statistic. My argument was that if they dress like sluts then they should have known better.... I was proved wrong.
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Boozehawk wrote: | To use an analogy that folks here might understand, its like saying that because a minority of road users choose to ride around on two wheeled machines with no big metal box around them that they "deserve" to be smahed into by car drivers. |
I don't think they deserve to be smashed. I certainly think it's incumbent upon riders of two-wheelers to take additional precautions given their lack of visibility to car drivers, limited traction and relative vulnerability in a collision.
Rape is never right. A rapist has committed a crime in the way that somebody who commits violent assault has committed a crime. My objection to the "wear anything you want, go anywhere you want, do anything you want" attitude supported by feminists is a simple one: we should not be encouraging potential victims to adopt behaviours that are likely to result in them becoming actual victims.
Let me propose another analogy. You are a West Ham fan and attend a game in which the Hammers beat Millwall 3-0. Afterwards, wandering the streets of Bermondsey after a few too many drinks with your mates, you encounter a pub overflowing with resentful Millwall supporters. Your mates beat a hasty retreat while you - for reasons unclear - walk into the pub in your West Ham shirt and start singing "Threeee niilll, threee niilll" at the top of your voice. A short while later you are admitted to the St Thomas A&E department with several serious injuries including a depressed fracture of the cheekbone, a stanley knife slash to your ear and two broken ribs. You are no longer singing.
Did you break the law? No.
Did the people who assaulted you break the law? Emphatically yes.
Did you act in a manner guaranteed to be provocative? Yes.
Should that influence the judgement of a court of law? I'm not qualified to say whether in reality it does or not but I think it probably should not. A serious crime has been committed.
Most normal people would agree that you put yourself in a dangerous situation and you paid the price. They would also agree that your attackers should be found and brought to justice. But off the record, I'm sure that a majority of people in the UK would agree that your actions were unnecessary and indeed downright stupid. The phrase "no common sense" would no doubt be invoked by many. We know that although trouble can usually be avoided, men who go out looking for trouble are going to find it.
What feminists are saying is that if a woman goes looking for trouble, she has the right not to get into trouble. She must always be protected from the responsibility for her actions, however immature or unwise those actions are. I disagree. I believe that adult women, just like adult men in the above example, should take sensible precautions against getting caught up in dangerous situations. As a practical matter, the law cannot be there to look after you 24/7. If women go looking for trouble they will find it, just as the man in the hypothetical situation above found trouble. Crimes will be committed against them, crimes that could have been avoided.
In some future utopian world, both men and women may be able to walk around and say and do anything they like with no fear of being attacked, raped or murdered. We do not live in that world. Until we do, both men and women should take responsibility for their actions. Unfortunately the idea that women should be held responsible for anything is anathema to modern feminists so they encourage young women to behave in ways that make a crime likely to be committed against them. It's a triumph of dogma over reality and the victims are the girls who thought they would always be safe.
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Old Thread Alert!
The last post was made 10 years, 92 days ago. Instead of replying here, would creating a new thread be more useful? |
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