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![Post Post](templates/standard/images/icon_minipost.gif) Posted: 18:58 - 04 Feb 2011 Post subject: |
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What year is the bike? It does make a difference to the cost. I've heard of dealer quotes around £600 to do the 16k service on a '99/2000. As Donny said independent dealer will be £200-£300 just to check.
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it only a half hour job to check them and may be another hour to change out the shims,
600 quid is a stupid price to pay for a full service,
find a small bike garage or may be someone in your area who's on the forum could help you out,
its not a difficult job, nor that time consuming,
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hmmmnz wrote: | it only a half hour job to check them and may be another hour to change out the shims |
Takes longer than that just to get the access to the valve cover. In reality someone who knows what they are doing is going to struggle to check them, correctly, in less than two hours. This includes reassembly.
You need the correct tools.
On the CBR you need a specific plug spanner other wise you won't be able to get to them, no problem if you have the original toolkit.
You need a torque wrench, 10 -20nm.
You need a set of feeler gauges, sounds obviously but consider that the inlet gap is 0.17-0.23mm and the exhaust is 0.25-0.31mm. Most gauges have 0.15, 0.20, 0.25, 0.30 0.40 which is ok but not very precise, especially if you have never used them before. I made my own for in between values, yes I am that obsessive.
If your checking them properly then you should remove the cam chain tensioner so you need a means of retracting the pin and holding it in position when refitting.
For reassembly you need some RTV sealant for the valve cover gasket.
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[quote="Marki"] hmmmnz wrote: | You need a set of feeler gauges, sounds obviously but consider that the inlet gap is 0.17-0.23mm and the exhaust is 0.25-0.31mm. Most gauges have 0.15, 0.20, 0.25, 0.30 0.40 which is ok but not very precise, especially if you have never used them before. I made my own for in between values, yes I am that obsessive.
If your checking them properly then you should remove the cam chain tensioner so you need a means of retracting the pin and holding it in position when refitting.
For reassembly you need some RTV sealant for the valve cover gasket.
Finally if you do have to change any shims they cost around £5 each. |
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No problem.
To be honest I never even noticed you had a CBR
The truth is that they are pretty good engines and you do find a lot of people who have never had to change the shims. If you look at the pictures in this thread https://www.bikechatforums.com/viewtopic.php?t=189832 you can see the damage that I found on mine. I wouldn't have noticed if I hadn't decided to change the shims, the bike was allegedly happy to 150mph without any strange noises or signs of damage. ____________________ https://www.metacafe.com/watch/1972097/how_to_behave_on_a_forum/ |
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Marki wrote: | To be honest I never even noticed you had a CBR
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Thanks for all the replies Gents, with regards to the 16k service, im on 15k and thats why im starting to think about the Valves. What other stuff do they do on a 16k? I can change oil, plugs and filter myself, and the pads are fine at the moment.
Im ok with a spanner, I've got the original underseat toolkit so hopefully have that plug spanner, but I dont have feeler guages etc.. And I dont have the faintest idea what a shim is.
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And Donny,
Why, oh WHY is there no stopcock?! I was told that it was supposed to not piss fuel when removed as it was a diaphragm tank... but when doing the plugs it was an absolute nightmare, even managed to get some in my eye!
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aha-shake wrote: | And Donny,
Why, oh WHY is there no stopcock?! I was told that it was supposed to not piss fuel when removed as it was a diaphragm tank... but when doing the plugs it was an absolute nightmare, even managed to get some in my eye!
I just assumed mine was fooked! |
Haha, I assume because the fuel pump is integrated into the tank the fuel line is pressurised and Honda couldn't be arsed to fit a tap upstream of the line. It is REALLY fecking annoying though, fuel goes everywhere whenever I remove the tank.
What I do now is avoid removing the tank at all costs, if you undo all the bolts and stick a towel under the bottom of the tank by the seat to prevent paint damage you can normally get to most things by just raising the tank up using ratchet straps i.e.
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Other things at 16k would be a full fluids change (oil, coolant, brake fluid, fork oil) and to strip and clean the calipers, there is often plenty of crap behind the seals by now.
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Marki wrote: | You want to show me a picture of it? |
Well seeing as you asked...
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I paid £250 to have mine done at about 17,500 miles.
Which reminds me, the bike is on 31k, so will need doing again soon. Arse. ____________________
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I've done three CBR's now.
1 bike had 17k and another had 26k. Neither needed doing. The higher mileage bike didn't have service history so may have had it done in the past but there were no obvious signs.
I did change them on my own bike, which was at 15.5k but that was down to me being obcessive, they were all in spec just that a couple were close to the limits. Being a new bike to me I always like to get them as good as possible. As it worked out I ended up changing the head due to a Honda manufacturing fault. ____________________ https://www.metacafe.com/watch/1972097/how_to_behave_on_a_forum/ |
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Awesome thanks very much for the link to the how-to, couple of questions, what are the 4 analogue gauges he uses? Do I have to replace the CCT, as I already did this about 2.5k ago.
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