TV appeal bid after biker's death

[getyerkneedow...]

https://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/north_yorkshire/5051064.stm

The family of a biker who was killed in a hit and run crash last year say they want to appeal for new information on the BBC's Crimewatch programme.
Ralph Snowdon, 67, died when his bike was hit by another motorcycle on the B1257 near Stokesley, in May 2005.

In February, a coroner recorded a verdict of unlawful killing after hearing the other rider failed to stop after speeding around a blind bend.

Mr Snowdon's family said an appeal on Crimewatch could lead to a conviction.

'Useful tool'

His daughter, Mandy, said they wanted to encourage people to come forward with any information that could provide new evidence.

"It's just unfair that he (the other rider) hasn't been caught," she said. "The police did everything they could but someone must know something."

During their investigations, North Yorkshire Police have spoken to hundreds of motorists near the scene of the accident.

One man was arrested but it was decided there was insufficient evidence to prosecute.

Road Policing Sgt Neil Campbell said that as the anniversary of Mr Snowdon's death had recently passed a televised appeal could help jog people's memories.

"The manner of riding of the person who committed this crime, and I'll call it a crime, was quite shocking for the officers involved," he said.

"A visual reconstruction on television is often a very useful tool and it is something that I feel that we should consider at this stage."

Was over a year ago this happened, but it still angers me to think about it.

Some biker out there knows whats going on and is being a fucking coward over it.

If its you, or you know who it is - stop being an arsehole and make contact with the police.

[akaDAVE]

That is appauling. The bloke makes it to 67 years old and ends up being killed by another biker being a prat.

Even if the TV appeal brings brings no concitions. It might give another big dose of guilt to the coward who left him to die.
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There must have been witnesses otherwise how would they be able to reconstruct the accident?
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[getyerkneedow...]

Either:

A) the witnesses saw nothing of importance i.e. they were perhaps in front of the guy killed.

B) They can determine what happened from lay out of articles after the event - they use spray markings on the floor and then take an ariel photo to get a birds eye view.

[Dark]

That is shocking, but i'm surprised that the bloke hasn't been caught.

I know i'm risking being flamed here, but put yourself in the position of the biker thats still alive, would you own up to it now?
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[Ahmato_]

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I would have stopped straight away too.

In the present circumstances the other rider could be facing all sorts of charges and the only way he would ever face them would be to turn himself in, putting yourself in that position is difficult because you probably wouldn't ever find yourself in it, i can see why hes reluctant to turn himself in.
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[getyerkneedow...]

I would have stopped straight away too. I cant imagine ever hitting a fellow biker which results in his death and then just fucking off from the scene, its sickening.

You drive away after hitting a cat or dog etc, but not a fellow human.

I know hes gonna be getting the shit thrown at him, and thats why he/she aint coming forward, but still - how can they live/sleep at night with that on their conscience? They know they did it... as the person who hit them will have heard by now about the guys death and been able to put 2 and 2 together, even if they didnt realise at the actual time, they most certainly know now.

[Dark]

Hmm exactly, they will know now, either way they're going to find it more difficult to live with themselves.
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[bidman]

Hi, there is also the possibility that if this rider carried on riding like a lunatic, he is actually dead. Dan
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[GearboxGeezer]

What I dont get is how the bike rider hit another bike with enough force to kill this rider and yet keep on going so they can flee from the scene?

Or perhaps he cut across the poor biker and took out his front wheel.

I sickens me to think people wont stop, what happens if your kid gets run over and instead of stopping the guy keeps on driving with your kid under the wheel? Its just terrible.

[christof]

The other biker coming forward isn't going to bring the dead guy back to life.

I don't see the point of him coming forward now. It was clearly an accident, nothing can be done to change it. What can be gained by coming forward?

Or to put it another way, what is lost by *not* coming forward?


It's possible the other biker might not even have known at the time that Ralph came off.

Put yourself in the position. You are not a lunatic, but are human like everyone else. One day on a blind bend you clip another biker and when you look in your mirror you can't see him anymore. No damage done, so you continue along assuming he's done the same.

Later you find out he's died. What do you do? Turn yourself in and go through all the hassle of a fatal accident inquiry, being charged by the Police etc? Why do all that?


The laws of the land say that all deaths must be investigated, and it's for the good of the general population, not for the good in every single case. If you didn't murder the guy and weren't at fault for his accident, you don't deserve punishment, so what is changed by you choosing anonymity?

People need to get a grip here and think things through a bit more before calling people assholes when they would have probably done the exact same thing in the circumstances.

Yes, we would have all stopped if we saw him come off, but that might not have been the case here.

[bazza]

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[skelly]

all us bikers are like part of a big community that is like stabbing one of your family in the back makes me sick!!!!
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[tony532]

there are weekend warriors that miss you by a foot at the most on the cat and fiddle when they go over onto your side of the road all the time (idiots).


they wouldnt have a clue or care to be honest that you were lying in a ditch dying after having to take evasive action.


i'm not exagerating about there actions the road is packed full of idiots every weekend in the summer.

dry days only of course


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[bazza]

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[kat250]

Im sorry but if he had come in contact with the Ralph the least the other guy could have atleast gone back and seen if hed put any damage on his bike. Itd be like if someone filtering on a bike and you scratch a car unknowingly does that make it right? . Im afraid that he could have atleast turned round and checked.
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[bazza]

[kat250]

Tbh i would if i had a near to be on the safe side. I have done it with cars plenty of times running wide, to check and to apolagise, i have even had car drivers do this to me .

Edit also if the unknowing incident came back to haunt you and you had discovered would you own up .
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