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PostPosted: 09:38 - 18 Jun 2006    Post subject: Warning : Forward Facing Speed Cameras Reply with quote

Saw this over on VD and thought I'd whack it up here.

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For some time I have been ignoring front facing speed cameras on the basis that they can't get a number plate.
Yesterday afternoon I was stopped by police who produced 20 pictures of my bike going through cameras. They told me that there were only 3 Red R1150RT in the area and mine was the only one with extra spotlights and a sticker above the headlight.
I spent 6 hours yesterday in the police station and am looking at a ban of at least six months (probably nearer two years). My job will go and probably my home as well.
I have been bailed till August 1st. I'll keep you informed.

The police officers had a pile of photos of other bikes as well. They are out looking for bikes!!!


Looks like if you have a distinctive bike then it might not be a good idea to speed past these cameras anymore.

I think he'll get off it if he stands up for himself and gets a solicitor. It looks like the police are just trying it on and trying to get him to admit it. There's no way a court will convict him on the basis of a few photos of a bike.
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PostPosted: 09:51 - 18 Jun 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

Siggi wrote:
Oops! I've given the one on the way to Brighton the finger more than once. Shocked Laughing


Your not the only one Smile
Most of them in Stoke have photo's of me with insulting gestures !!
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PostPosted: 10:05 - 18 Jun 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

He isn't the first, they keep all the pictures to spot patterns, like if its always the same time of day etc.

Copper accross the road told me they review them on a weekly basis and anyone 'takin the piss' will be prosecuted. They also use the new vans with the automated reg plate reader next to some cameras, then they review the logs for that day and any descriptions of vehicles that match the forward facing cameras picture. uh oh Thumbs Down Thumbs Down
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PostPosted: 10:11 - 18 Jun 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think you'll fight it to the very end, Siggi.
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PostPosted: 10:41 - 18 Jun 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

Siggi wrote:
I wonder if I'll be dead before it becomes a legal requirement in this country to be implanted with a chip?


Oven, crincle cut, thick or thin. Wink

Just waiting for the euro nobbers to say we have to have number plates on the front of the bikes next. Thumbs Down
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PostPosted: 11:25 - 18 Jun 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

Finglonga wrote:
Just waiting for the euro nobbers to say we have to have number plates on the front of the bikes next. Thumbs Down


With these, they won't need them:

https://www.rfidnews.org/news/2004/06/10/rfidenabled-license-plates-to-identify-uk-vehicles/
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PostPosted: 11:52 - 18 Jun 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

Is this just Truvelo front facing cameras?

Cos I didn't think Gatso's could get any vehicle from the front, let alone bikes?
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PostPosted: 11:57 - 18 Jun 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

opps Embarassed


I through one every day going to work, though the number of times l change my work bike l,ll be ok hopefully.
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PostPosted: 12:35 - 18 Jun 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

bazza wrote:
Finglonga wrote:
Just waiting for the euro nobbers to say we have to have number plates on the front of the bikes next. Thumbs Down


With these, they won't need them:

https://www.rfidnews.org/news/2004/06/10/rfidenabled-license-plates-to-identify-uk-vehicles/


Just read through that article, It's more than a bit of a joke to be honest.

Although even if the chips can not be removed via tampering surely purchasing a small number plate that many bike riders do would effectively stop you from getting fingered by whatever is used to track the chips.
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PostPosted: 12:39 - 18 Jun 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

RFID is a joke for number plates , if you suspect your number plate of having an RFID chip in it , remove it , pop the plate (good thing bike plates are square) into a microwave over and give it a good 5 second blast @ 800watts , the RFID chip will die since by design they cannot be sheilded.


which if/when ID cards with RFID chips come in tin foil wallets will actually work (for once)
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PostPosted: 12:52 - 18 Jun 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

How can they prove that another red 1150RT from somewhere else in the country perhaps even europe with extra spots and a sticker wasn't traveling past that speed camera? It's a long distance tourer, not a sports bike so long distances aren't out of the question. Therefore there would be nothing unusual about seeing a foreign bike in the country, let alone one from another part of the country, maybe even Scotland Exclamation

In short, speed cameras are a national affair not area specific only - anyone can be caught. You must ask for them to submit hard evidence that your's is the ONLY bike in the COUNTRY like those photo's before you admit anything.
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PostPosted: 12:55 - 18 Jun 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

maybe you should buy a different coloured helmet and leathers (off ebay and not with credit cards of course) , to confuse them a bit ,

I'm often seen with red and black textiles but due to having to clean them now and again am sometimes seen in blue leathers.
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PostPosted: 13:30 - 18 Jun 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have to agree with EX3D they cant just go "there are only 3 bikes of this decription in the area" they have to have proof as to whose bike it was. Im going to uni in october, but im not going to change my V5, and countless others might not have. I think if they really are starting to do this, then whenever you arent in your area, give them some more photos to thumb through.

As for the RFID thing I heard they were planning to implement it with serious penalties for removing or tampering with the chip. Evil or Very Mad bastards.
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PostPosted: 14:24 - 18 Jun 2006    Post subject: / Reply with quote

Siggi wrote:
Oops! I've given the one on the way to Brighton the finger more than once. Shocked Laughing



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PostPosted: 14:29 - 18 Jun 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

edd wrote:

As for the RFID thing I heard they were planning to implement it with serious penalties for removing or tampering with the chip. Evil or Very Mad bastards.


true bikes have a long time perfected mechanical device called wheels two of them this enables them to move around , you should have seen where I took my NTV650 on a temp basis without changing the V5C (which is allowed as its not a permanant change).

Tamper ? , chips can get fried in a variety of ways , other things like use microwave frequencies , say like cell phone masts , radar speed traps etc,
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PostPosted: 14:31 - 18 Jun 2006    Post subject: . Reply with quote

Would sticking it in a deep-freeze kill it? You could claim that you left the bike parked out in chilly weather.
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PostPosted: 14:32 - 18 Jun 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

Craig- wrote:
Is this just Truvelo front facing cameras?

Cos I didn't think Gatso's could get any vehicle from the front, let alone bikes?


Think you're right, I've never set a Gatso off from the front and I've tried hard.
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PostPosted: 14:43 - 18 Jun 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

maurice wrote:
Think you're right, I've never set a Gatso off from the front and I've tried hard.


Gatsos only take pictures from the rear of the vehicle. Truvellos are forward facing (thus pretty useless against a bike), but they don't flash in the same way as Gatsos (imaging a blinded driver crashing into a hedge! Laughing ).

For what it's worth, I tend not to speed through them anyway. I know they can't get me on the bike but I don't want them to have hundreds of pictures of speeding bikes that they cannot persue - it'd just mean that they'd either redesign the cameras or look at additional ways of governing bikes.
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PostPosted: 14:49 - 18 Jun 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

Itchy wrote:
pop the plate (good thing bike plates are square) into a microwave over and give it a good 5 second blast @ 800watts ,


Our microwave is only 650w do we have to adjust the cooking time accordingly? Mr. Green Mr. Green
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PostPosted: 14:50 - 18 Jun 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

Referr to your manufacturer's handbook Wink.
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PostPosted: 14:56 - 18 Jun 2006    Post subject: Re: Warning : Forward Facing Speed Cameras Reply with quote

Joe wrote:
Looks like if you have a distinctive bike then it might not be a good idea to speed past these cameras anymore.

You'd have to be a right idiot to set the same one off repeatedly regardless of how distinctive your bike is, especially if it's near to where you live. Rolling Eyes

Doesn't need to be a distinctive bike, identifying the rider from their leather and helmet would be fairly easy anyway going on how distinctive most designs are.
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PostPosted: 15:02 - 18 Jun 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

I went though one the other day just to see what happens.

I was nearly blinded (I thought they weren't supposed to flash being forward facing)

safety camera my arse!!!

I wouldn't go through the same one (or for that matter, any in the same constabulary) repeatedly though as that's asking for trouble.
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PostPosted: 15:09 - 18 Jun 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

Siggi wrote:
Oops! I've given the one on the way to Brighton the finger more than once. Shocked Laughing


A 'reason' for a full respray and fresh new leathers lid and boots?
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PostPosted: 15:13 - 18 Jun 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

oh crap i think i will have to slow down from now on Thinking Shifty
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PostPosted: 15:14 - 18 Jun 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

extreme3d wrote:
How can they prove that another red 1150RT from somewhere else in the country perhaps even europe with extra spots and a sticker wasn't traveling past that speed camera? It's a long distance tourer, not a sports bike so long distances aren't out of the question. Therefore there would be nothing unusual about seeing a foreign bike in the country, let alone one from another part of the country, maybe even Scotland Exclamation

In short, speed cameras are a national affair not area specific only - anyone can be caught. You must ask for them to submit hard evidence that your's is the ONLY bike in the COUNTRY like those photo's before you admit anything.


I think they will have simpler means of iding the bike:

1. If it is hi - res images they can match scratches/unique identifiers.
2. They might have had a camera van at the exit/entrance and gotten the rear plates.
3. They don't I believe need to have "hard" evidence, if you get proved beyond reasonable doubt then you will probably get a ban (I don't know but ask the lawyers around here)
4. The motorway/police van have cctv cameras, it is possible they could have waited and caught him, say going into work/supermarket etc.

I for once wouldn't foolishly go through any camera doing stupid s*it as it encourages them to do more extreme things like monitor your rear number plates on exit and ban/heavily fine people.
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