"failed" CBT, disappointed with test place

carlmalibu · Spanner Monkey Joined: 24 Oct 2005 Karma :

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markandmindy · Borekit Bruiser Joined: 11 Feb 2006 Karma :

Think you ought to take this up with whoever owns/runs the training establishment used. They've obviously not given you the service they promised or the minimum of what you expected. besides, it's supposed to be on a ratio of 2 bikes per instructor, so they are in the wrong straight away. If they get all arsey just walk away mumbling something about naming and shaming on various biking websites.

carlmalibu · Spanner Monkey Joined: 24 Oct 2005 Karma :

but I didnt dislike the people, and its maximum 2 on the road maximum 4 off the road.

I don't think they did anything wrong I was just left feeling uncared for, that's all.

tbh the instructor probably comes on this forum and is gonna sabotage my brake cables next time I take it!
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Trickypl4 · Nova Slayer Joined: 21 May 2006 Karma :

I did my cbt about 2½ weeks ago and the instructors told me that you can't fail the cbt. It's not a test, it's training.

They said that if anyone wasn't good enough to get their certificate on the day then they come back and do some more, at no extra cost.

Don't know if it's different around the country mind you, but that's what my instructors told me. Thumbs Up

Rob-B · Trackday Trickster Joined: 21 May 2006 Karma :

Yeah, same here tricky.. Hmmm you really should complain or demand a refeund/another cbt, as like was mentioned you CANT fail, its immpossible, they should give you extra tuition etc if you are really struggling. Hearing this makes me angry as I only had my CBT about a month ago and know what its like to have supurb instructors Evil or Very Mad

code guru · Brolly Dolly Joined: 25 Jan 2006 Karma :

sorry iv edit the post my fault for being a prick

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code guru · Brolly Dolly Joined: 25 Jan 2006 Karma :

wot i was suppose 2 say if u was struggling with the geared bike u should had asked to ride a ped but the instuctor should had seen u struggling and all he had 2 do was say do u whant 2 ride a scooter instead?
yes sorry about my 1st post . i had no right 2 say that but i would had send 2 the instuctor could i ride a ped?

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code guru · Brolly Dolly Joined: 25 Jan 2006 Karma :

yer well he should had spoken then. say he i never riden a geared bike before can u teach me? i mean if the instuctor was a prick i would had gone in and talk 2 who ever is in charge then
at the end off the day its the insructors fault and he could complain 2 the company

tonyyzf · Brolly Dolly Joined: 13 May 2005 Karma :

I would seriously consider reporting this to the DSA if I were you, they are already aware of the situation regarding bad instructors/training schools, the more people that complain the better, send an email to:-

[email protected] detailing the situation and why you're not happy
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MikeH · Brolly Dolly Joined: 10 Dec 2005 Karma :

You can't really fail as such as there is no marking or totting up of points but you are required to be at a safe standard before the instructor will let you on the road and then sign you off. I think that if someone is nowhere near the required minimum safe standard that they should have further training before being let loose on their own, for eveyone's safety not just their own.

With regard the fact they sent you home at lunchtime, are you sure you have understood why, did you ask ??

Normally the afternoon is spent out on the roads. I'd suggest that the instructor didn't feel that you were upto the required standard therefore felt you needed another morning offroad to get you upto speed before doing the afternoon on the road? For the sake of the other students and your own safety he probably did the right thing.

Before you kick off, ring the training school, or go back and discuss it sensibly with them. make sure you fully understand the why's and where fors before you rush in and get egg on your face.

I'm not saying they are in the right, but there is always two sides to every story, but they should have explained it better as i think you've mis-understood.

in the meantime get practising on an empty carpark on a geared bike, you'll soon crack it

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code guru · Brolly Dolly Joined: 25 Jan 2006 Karma :

i would say the reason he failed was because he couldnt ride the geared bike. they cant fail u before u go on the road and they cant fail u anyway coz a cbt is like they teach u the basic that 2 make sure u know wot u doing on the road.

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APNess · Trackday Trickster Joined: 08 Jun 2006 Karma :

They should have had you come back for another day - making you pay again after just a mornings' tuition is shite. I'd never ridden a bike in my life when I took my CBT, and my mate was slightly better than I was - seemed to pick it up easier, but rather than give him a certificate and not me, they had us both come back next day, polish up a bit, and gave us both the CBT at the same time.

Sounds like a crap riding school - telling a complete newcomer they aren't good enough after a mornings' tuition is stating the the obvious. Training you to a certain standard THEN assessing you is what you paid for, not a morning "Here's a bike get on with it" then "You're crap, leave your £50 on the table on your way out and come back for some more. Oh, and if you're still crap you'd better have another fifty ready."

Maybe that's not how it was, but that's the initial impression I got from your post.

If you get no joy, or they give you crap, just name/shame 'em on places like here, but state why they're rubbish, or you feel dissatisfied, rather than simply stating they suck. Then go somewhere else - I'm sure you can get recommendations from people on here.

Good luck,

Paul

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stevo as b4 · World Chat Champion Joined: 17 Jul 2003 Karma :

I too think the Training school is at fault here. You should be treated equally as even pupils that have had riding experience don't always know the right/correct method of bike control, for road use. It would be a big cop out too if the CBT centre lets you do your training on a twist and go, if your planning on riding a geared bike once you have passed.

The only thing i would say: is that learning how to ride a geared bike safely and under good control, as well as learning all the practical elements of the CBT, and highway code is not something that is within everyones capability, all in one go and all on the same day even. Everyone learns new skills at different speeds, and therefore it's un-realistic to expect everyone to reach CBT standard from never having ridden a motorcycle in a single day.

What would really have helped you mate or be a good thing to do now, is to see if you can get someone to spend some time teaching you the basics of how to drive a motorcycle, in an off the road enviroment, before you take the CBT or go back for extra training. This would obviously mean finding someone who would let you use their bike to practice on and learn basic starting, stopping, gear changing, and braking, before actually doing the CBT, and the road skills training that it will involve.

Dave1216 · Two Stroke Sniffer Joined: 28 Jun 2006 Karma :

I had to split my CBT because i couldn't get my gear's sorted. In the second day i worked it out. They didn't charge me for the second day.

code guru · Brolly Dolly Joined: 25 Jan 2006 Karma :

when i did my cbt it was me and 3 other ppl but they r only allowed to take 2 ppl on the road so i had 2 wait with this other guy who was retakeing his cbt as the 2 years was up

EuropeanNC30R... · Gay Hairdresser Joined: 20 Jun 2002 Karma :

Sounds really poor from the school. Making you pay another £50 makes it worse, I would definitely report them.

Whitey · Nova Slayer Joined: 22 May 2006 Karma :

i had to split my CBT as well

it didn't cost any extra and they were fine about it...

the guys you were doing it with have got to be pretty harsh to make you pay again to do it

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palmer · Fiddled Kiddy Joined: 21 Jul 2004 Karma :

Anyone else find it hard to read code guru's posts? Laughing

i av got 2 say its reli bad.

Whitey · Nova Slayer Joined: 22 May 2006 Karma :

yep

reli reli bad lol Laughing

only messing palmer Thumbs Up

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krebsy · World Chat Champion Joined: 01 Jun 2005 Karma :

I wasn't out on the road during my CBT as I had been a bit too shakey in the morning. So, two of us stayed at the school and practiced some more with the instructor.

The CBT is a one off payment, plus a little extra to hire the bike. Cost me 75 for the CBT and two lots of 15 quid for the 2 days bike hire. Once I was out on the road the next time the instructor told me that I was in my element and looked comfortable on two wheels, plus I had plenty of road sense (from my 14 years of car driving).

My school took us all through a series of excercises that built on one another to give us the skills to get out on the road. Did they take you through excercises or just give you the bike and watch you potter around?

K
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