Wheelies on a TZR125 - is it possible?

[ColdInsomnia]

Hi,

I've been trying to learn to pull a wheely on my TZR125. I took it to an empty car park earlier today and spent about 30 mins pracisiting the techniques from the Superbike instruction video.

Now.. I don't know if it's just my bike... but my bike just doesn't seem fast enough to pull a wheely - or the front end is too heavy.

At the most, the front wheel will lift an inch of the ground for a second, before coming back to the ground. No matter how high I rev, the most I'll get is a split second of air.

I've tried sitting back further on the bike, to move the balancing point back, and it helps a little but nowhere near enough.

Is it possible my bike is just too slow?
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[phantomtek]

[0ddball]

You'll have to have total commitment and give it a load of revs. When it comes up it will come up very quickly and you stand a good chance of flipping it.

You'll have to clutch it, it won't come up off the power.

[Finglonga]

[ColdInsomnia]

[chalky143]

Hi its possible but hard...i could do on on me mito...for about 4 seconds lol....i can do it on me rs50 for ages tho
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[tony532]

you would need to pin the throttle right back with the clutch in and then then dump the clutch like on a 400.
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[The View Askew]

I manage to wheelie my ped somehow, mainly involves yanking the bars up and leaning back, then forward before you flip, and hold, find it impossible to smoothly bring the wheel down after though, once i let it start to sink I dont have the power to do it smoothly it just falls.
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[veeeffarr]

[The View Askew]

Mines an scv100, 4 stroke, fuck all power, just heave the bars up from 2-3mph and full whack, use the rear brake as a clutch to bring the revs up enough, not good for it i know, but at the end of the day, its a ped, peds get punished.
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[hazza]

you can wheelie almost anything, i used to be able to wheelie my puch maxi s moped (a real moped not a scooter)....all 2hp of it
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[Squiffy_The_Wombat]

Dude, if you want to wheelie it off the power (like the video) you can BUT you will need to change your sprockets thus changing the gear ratio. This will make the top end speed drop lots but accerelation and wheelies much easier!

Or you could try standing up, when i was learning to wheelie i couldnt get the front up, when i tried standing up and yanking the bars it was lots easier. A lot of my friends cant actually wheelie if they are sitting down! Remmber to always cover the rear though in case it all goes tits up!

I *think* standing up means theres less weight on the back sus so its technically lighter? Maybe somebody could answer this for me?

Hope this helps a bit..
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[SoND]

In the superbikes video if i remember right he was suggesting to slip the clutch to get the front up. On a low powered bike you need to dump it instead.

Anything can be wheelied. The problem with low powered bikes is that you need to get it to balance point straight away or you wont keep it up.

Since the bike hasnt got very much power you're going have to be going slow to get it up in the first place which means the bike is more liable to fall over sideways if you arent careful. Slower speeds also means a higher balance point.

It's possible, just nice and difficult.

Good luck

[Gaz09]

is that what i'd need to do to wheelie my nsr as well?
Gaz

[StottyB]

Is there any chance anyone could explain the terms 'slip the clutch' and 'dump the clutch'?
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[hazza]

dumping the clutchmeans just loosing the lever so it snaps back into place but with adequate revs so it dosent stall, slipping the clutch is,....i know what it is i just cant put it into words of how to explain it, but of you have a 125 you wont need to worry about slipping it
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[ncrn]

erm as far as i know, slip the clutch means to let the clutch out a bit quickly, but not all the way.

and dump the clutch is to just let go of it completely, therefore transfering all of the power from the engine straight to the back wheel.

at least i think thats right?

[The View Askew]

To slip, is to slip, imagine 2 metal plates, held apart by a lever in your hand, as you release this lever, the plates get closer to each other, one is the drive plate, the other is to the wheel.

When you dump the clutch, you let the plates snap back together, so 100% engine power is transmitted to the wheel.

When you slip, you kind of bring them together, but dont let them fully grip, hence giving you lower power to the wheel at higher revs, then you can close them further to increase the driving force.

This is the only way i can think to explain.
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[StottyB]

I think i get it, but wouldn't dumping make you stall (there's an odd sentence)
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[simon1221]

Not if you have enough revs it wont, no.
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[edd]

The bike will lose the torque produced in whatever is the path of least resistance, If you dump the clutch at low revs the engine (particualrly in a small bike with a low rotating mass) will stall. If you have more revs the bike will get rid of the torque produced in some other way. If the easiest thing for it to do is spin the rear tyre, quite likely on a big power bike with a lot of front end weight, then you will spin the rear wheel. If the easiest thing for the bike to do is loft the front wheel then that is what will happen. In your case on a small bike the rear tyre is unlikely to spin off the power because the front of your bike is light and the bike doesnt have a huge amount of power.
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