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PostPosted: 23:20 - 03 Jul 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

Bloody hell,

If you're not willing to actually go and fight, don't join! It's not playschool.
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PostPosted: 23:26 - 03 Jul 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

Toby R wrote:
Bloody hell,

If you're not willing to actually go and fight, don't join! It's not playschool.


This is about the TA. You are trained to fight but the chance of you being called up is very small and only in the cases of the above curcumstances.

If a war starts the TA is on high alert and has colour codes just like the pentagon and star trek, lol.

Members of the TA stay put until called up which will only happen if all the other guys out their get pw3d and regular army reserves are running low.

At the very most the TA will be called in to help with munition delivery and helping casualties and maybe fixing equipment for the solders AT THE VERY MOST. Unless, of coarse, holy sh1t breaks loose, then, grab your gun, put on your brown trousers and get to shooting terrorists.
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PostPosted: 23:30 - 03 Jul 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

Toby R wrote:
Bloody hell,

If you're not willing to actually go and fight, don't join! It's not playschool.


Rolling Eyes did you not read my post. i was saying i am willing...
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PostPosted: 23:32 - 03 Jul 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

Toby R wrote:
Did you kill any monkeys?


Yea, we huge then lil' b4stards by their scrawny necks and left they to choke then eat their brains for good measure. Laughing Laughing
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PostPosted: 23:45 - 03 Jul 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

Paul@125power wrote:
Members of the TA stay put until called up which will only happen if all the other guys out their get pw3d and regular army reserves are running low.

At the very most the TA will be called in to help with munition delivery and helping casualties and maybe fixing equipment for the solders AT THE VERY MOST. Unless, of coarse, holy sh1t breaks loose, then, grab your gun, put on your brown trousers and get to shooting terrorists.


Nope. Incorrect... Razz

My brother (TA Royal Engineers) flew out to Iraq a week after the last war kicked off. He was attached to the Gurkhas, who are not known for sitting at the back, cleaning their boots. He spent nearly five months bouncing backwards and forwards between Iraq and Kuwait before being allowed home.
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PostPosted: 23:49 - 03 Jul 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

Silver wrote:
Paul@125power wrote:
Members of the TA stay put until called up which will only happen if all the other guys out their get pw3d and regular army reserves are running low.

At the very most the TA will be called in to help with munition delivery and helping casualties and maybe fixing equipment for the solders AT THE VERY MOST. Unless, of coarse, holy sh1t breaks loose, then, grab your gun, put on your brown trousers and get to shooting terrorists.


Nope. Incorrect... Razz

My brother (TA Royal Engineers) flew out to Iraq a week after the last war kicked off. He was attached to the Gurkhas, who are not known for sitting at the back, cleaning their boots. He spent nearly five months bouncing backwards and forwards between Iraq and Kuwait before being allowed home.


That might of been due to unforseen circumstance and/or the lack of engineers out here and hence why he was needed, probably due to his possible length of experience.
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PostPosted: 23:54 - 03 Jul 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

Paul@125power wrote:
That might of been due to unforseen circumstance and/or the lack of engineers out here and hence why he was needed, probably due to his possible length of experience.


To a degree, but he was not the only person (by any means) to end up at/near the front line from the TA. I agree that, if possible, you'd end up manning a guard house somewhere in Germany whilst regs get moved up, but you have to remember that the Army have binned thousands of skilled soldiers over the past few years. I don't mean skilled cannon fodder, I mean skilled like Royal Engineers, Signals, REME etc. War kicked off and straight away they were short of those skills at the front line. Ironically enough, you're probably safer from the frontline if you're TA Infantry than a bloody mechanic! Go figure! Laughing
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PostPosted: 00:04 - 04 Jul 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

Silver wrote:
Ironically enough, you're probably safer from the frontline if you're TA Infantry than a bloody mechanic! Go figure! Laughing


Yea. My dad was a member of REME and was a recover mechanic and joined the regular army via the TA after being called and the reason being that mechanics were in short supply.

He joined the regular army after he was not required anymore and did his duty when called (and received several medals for bravery during battle).

But, when he joined he was trained as a regular soldier for 2 years before being allowed to continue to serve the rest of him time as a recovery mechanic.

Also, during his time in the army, was told by his Colonel that he was possibly the only person to be:

Arrow Promoted to Corporal and demoted to Lance Corporal 5 times while being in the army

and

Arrow Promoted to Promoted to Corporal and then demoted back to Lance Corporal within 3 seconds.

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PostPosted: 02:07 - 04 Jul 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

having been looking into this over the last year (once an injury is sorted, i will probably join) some of the stuff above is what they are officially telling new recruits.

they say you will be called up for war if needed, however, they will train you in any skills you will need before sending you.

i.e: you join the TA. 6 months later war breaks out. your unit is needed in iran (probably the next war zone Rolling Eyes ) so you get carted off to training for 6 months, then sent to iran.

no-where does it say you can refuse to be sent. you can differ the call up, if for example you are at uni. so you go to war once your degree is done.

having spoken to the regiment leader (corporal or whatver it is) they probably wont call you up for at leat two years. but there is no guarantee.

this iis what i have found reading the application packs and enquiring. so may be wrong, but its what they are tellin new recruits.
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PostPosted: 08:51 - 04 Jul 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'd quite like to join. Unfortunately, I'd probably have to join a unit that is compatable with my civilian skills (rather than join the a unit where I could drive a tank to have some fun). That means that I'd go in as a Major (Lieutenant Colonel next year), but it also means that I'd be called up pretty quickly.
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PostPosted: 09:04 - 04 Jul 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi
Ive herad they are calling up TA recruits after just 2 months Shocked

I was going to join but they were basically saying you will probably be going to iraq, so I decided not to.

I good decision I reckon Smile

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PostPosted: 10:07 - 04 Jul 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

Paul@125power...

No harm mate but you are talking absolute bullshit, and I mean grade A bullshit.

The TA has been mobilising troops to go to Iraq after the basic 2 months training. The TA has been mobilising troops who have had so little training that they don't even have basic weapon handling skills, so this two years your spouting is absoute bullshit.

Quote:
https://www.channel4.com/news/2004/10/week_4/22_ta.html


More over the army is desperate for people to join. The TA has lost over 16000 recruits since fighting in Iraq and Afghanistan. One in five of every deployed soldier at present is TA.

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www.telegraph.co.uk/ne.../nta15.xml


The bottom line is this, it is unlikely you will get mobilised in the first year or two which means you could have some great fun however the chance exists you could get your papers through the week after you complete CIC.

Be under no illisusion, once your in the TA, and qualified with your CIC you will be called up in the next three years, as at present the TA only has about 10000 personnel who can actively be called up. And once you get called your ass is the armies, 1930's style.

Don't get me wrong, the TA is great fun and you learn some really cool shit and get fit but please don;t be so niave as to think you will not see a war as there has never been a time when you had more chance of getting mobilised........and employers are wakening up to this.
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PostPosted: 10:12 - 04 Jul 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Even if you are in the regular army, you will NOT be sent to war unless you have served in the army for at least 2 years.


Thats also bullshit, one of the UK's first casulaties in Iraq was an 18 year old soldier who had just finished his training, I remember it because his mother wrote to all the papers saying he should have never been sent so soon to a war zone.

Paul, your information is full of shit, dude.
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PostPosted: 10:15 - 04 Jul 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

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having spoken to the regiment leader (corporal or whatver it is) they probably wont call you up for at leat two years. but there is no guarantee.


Its actually in the law that the TA cannot mobilise you for two years after a mobilisation, but they are now allowing people to volunteer to remain mobilised (i know guys who have left Iraq to go straight to afghanistan)!
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PostPosted: 10:46 - 04 Jul 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

Jay a very good resource forum is this one hear....read through it to get a better idea.

https://www.arrse.co.uk/cpgn2/Forums/viewforum/f=35.html

Things to bear in mind are this, the TA will offer medical care similar to that of a regular but if you get injured and then discharged you are on you own in terms of medical care......

https://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/4985170.stm

What if you get killed? I've read a TA payout to your family is 4K a year. One guy got killed leaving behind a wife, 4 kids and a 30K a year job. She got renumerated 4K and his other life insurance wouldn;t pay out due to a war zone clause.

Rolling Eyes

Don't get me wrong the TA is a great institute and if you want a tour now is the time. Just be aware of the facts, i.e. you might be called up, if injured you might be on your own, if dead then your family might loose out and also beaware that employers are not to happy about people joining the TA as they are aware that mobilisation is on the rise. Don't rely on what the recruitment staff tell you, they will just say what you want to hear becasue the army is desperate for numbers at present.

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PostPosted: 12:19 - 04 Jul 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

Just to reiterate something recently debated in the HoC ,

The government were prepping LIFE SENTENCES

(read 8 years 24 years minus -> 1/3 for pleading gulity cut off , then you are up for parole after 1/2 of that , that said military courts are heiniously unfair and can disallow witnesses evidence and are puppets of Blair)

for refusing to go where you are ordered.

but as Toby says don't want to fight? , don't join,

this was exemplified by many of the crew of our flagship the Invincible , who when interviewed for the BBC proggie fighting the war , almost universally said , we never thought we'd be called up to fight. (having been lured by crud 90s adverts about traveling the world and getting paid for it while omitting fighting).


I'd also iterate theres this nasty trick the government uses called manning control , which sort of allows them to show you your P45 , and a couple years later call you up when your skills are needed.
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PostPosted: 15:29 - 04 Jul 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well, I do not talk sh1t, I was told this info by recruitment generals and Colonels of the TA and also, my dad, who was in the army for 11 years.
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PostPosted: 15:49 - 04 Jul 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Well, I do not talk sh1t, I was told this info by recruitment generals and Colonels of the TA


Laughing There in lies the problem then. I would imagine that the TA's operational role has changed significantly since your dad has left, as it is well documented that people have been mobilised within months of joining.

I am not saying compulsory mobilisations are the norm immediatly afterpassing your CIC, however the possibility is a real one which does exist.
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PostPosted: 21:40 - 04 Jul 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

dmahon wrote:
I'd quite like to join. Unfortunately, I'd probably have to join a unit that is compatable with my civilian skills (rather than join the a unit where I could drive a tank to have some fun)


No, not atall.

I was told that if there is something you want to do, the TA will pay to train you up. The guy said "...for example, if you want to learn to scuba dive, we will pay you to go on 'holiday' and be taught how to scuba dive.
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PostPosted: 23:18 - 04 Jul 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

jay_666 wrote:
dmahon wrote:
I'd quite like to join. Unfortunately, I'd probably have to join a unit that is compatable with my civilian skills (rather than join the a unit where I could drive a tank to have some fun)


No, not atall.

I was told that if there is something you want to do, the TA will pay to train you up. The guy said "...for example, if you want to learn to scuba dive, we will pay you to go on 'holiday' and be taught how to scuba dive.


Yeah, right. I have a specialist skill, that they're really short of, that costs hundreds of thousands of pounds and many years to train in, and they're going to just ignore it and let me go drive a tank round a muddy field every other weekend because I fancy it?
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PostPosted: 23:22 - 04 Jul 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

oh, well if you already have a specialist skill that they require then thats different isnt it.
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PostPosted: 23:35 - 04 Jul 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

dmahon wrote:
I'd quite like to join. Unfortunately, I'd probably have to join a unit that is compatable with my civilian skills (rather than join the a unit where I could drive a tank to have some fun). That means that I'd go in as a Major (Lieutenant Colonel next year), but it also means that I'd be called up pretty quickly.


Now I'm curious! Can't think of anything (off hand) that allows entry as Major. Doctors only join as a Captain, for example. Thinking

You're not a nuclear scientist are you? Laughing
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PostPosted: 00:23 - 05 Jul 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

Silver wrote:
dmahon wrote:
I'd quite like to join. Unfortunately, I'd probably have to join a unit that is compatable with my civilian skills (rather than join the a unit where I could drive a tank to have some fun). That means that I'd go in as a Major (Lieutenant Colonel next year), but it also means that I'd be called up pretty quickly.


Now I'm curious! Can't think of anything (off hand) that allows entry as Major. Doctors only join as a Captain, for example. Thinking


It depends how much experience as a doctor you have.

"Your initial appointment as a medical officer will be as Captain on special medical officer rates of pay. You can expect to reach Major within five years, and promotion beyond Major is by selection, and based on merit. Those doctors with a recognised postgraduate qualification and post registration experience in recognised jobs can be awarded backdated seniority up to a maximum of 13 years. Additional pay is awarded for consultants and trained GPs."
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PostPosted: 00:31 - 05 Jul 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

And there was me thinking you were a Divemaster! Wink
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PostPosted: 03:01 - 05 Jul 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

Im shocked at the level of rubbish and miss information in this topic

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