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magpiemale
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PostPosted: 17:04 - 06 Jul 2006    Post subject: direct access Reply with quote

well had 2 day's worth of bike tuition and failed my test Sad I only had two out of a possible 15 fault's against me .....but! the dreaded U-turn got me put me foot down tut tut and failed to travel 12 feet lol bit of a let down really all hanging on a u turn if you cannot do it you might as well ride back to the test centre or was I with a examiner who was to tough?? I thought you got at least two attemps at it.
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PostPosted: 17:20 - 06 Jul 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

naah, bad luck mate. All the best riders take at least 2 attempts (the really great ones need 3 Wink )

You're allowed to 'dab' a foot on the U turn due to nerves, but if you use it for support you're supposed to fail. Basically, if your foot comes off the peg you'll be lucky to pass.

There's loads of tips here for the u turns, do a search and have a practice.

Also have a read of this
https://www.motorcycle-training.f2s.com/tips.html

Better luck next time
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PostPosted: 17:20 - 06 Jul 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

unlucky mate - i struggled doing u turns for my direct access, all morning i was trying, then we filled up with fuel and i was doing them perfectly!!!

dont think i have done any u turns since my test!!!! none on the R6 anyway!!!!

you will get the hang of them, but it takes some practice!!!

when the examiner told me to do a u turn i went and did it, and was so happy when that part of the test was over, the rest was a doddle!!! Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 17:30 - 06 Jul 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

had u ridden prior? or just two days training?
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PostPosted: 17:31 - 06 Jul 2006    Post subject: direct access Reply with quote

yeah I was doing well untill the u turn never got into it on my 1st day but the second day I did 10 u -turn's and rubbished 3 but had a offer from me instructor to take the bike out for a practice before my test was due but said no and sat around for 40mins while he tested someone before me wish I had of taken his advice and went for a ride around used a GS500 for my test.hey I wanna take my second and pass !! as it is well £££££ £160 for 3 hours lesson and retest tut tut..may give it a 3rd if I fail but no more than that I realy wanna bigger bike than the one I have but dont wanna spend £1000+ like doing it.
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PostPosted: 18:57 - 06 Jul 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

Unlucky. Makes it a total waste of money just for one little mistake.

The worst part of the test in my opinion. I had an SR125 at the time and practiced until I could ride the bike round and round and round on full lock. I got on the 500 and couldn't do them. Over the three days I'd get 5 out of 10, but on the test I just got lucky I suppose. I do them easily now on the XJ. Just down to practice, and looking where you want to go, not the kerb.

(Does practice have an S or a C? It looks wrong with the C and when I press spell check nothing happens because of the pop up restrictions)

I passed 1st time with 2 minors, so that makes me a poor rider. It showed today when I was talking to a biker and stalled when I pulled away.
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PostPosted: 19:05 - 06 Jul 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

practice has a c yes
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PostPosted: 19:05 - 06 Jul 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

That blasted U turn manouvre, I too have not had to do one really since I have pasted my test and if I were to do one then yes, I would probably use my foot as a safety measure rather than risk laying the bike over. It does seem a tad unfair doesnt it. Better luck next time Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 21:08 - 06 Jul 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

not that many people do U turns , but I find them pretty useful for city riding and when you see an accident up ahead, and I reckon it'd be an absolute necessity if you are a London courier,

a trick is to say I'm, not going to fall off , by the time you said it its over and done,
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PostPosted: 21:26 - 06 Jul 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

Shocked oh shit.... i'm so used to using my foot to get round slow and fast courners in motocross

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PostPosted: 22:05 - 06 Jul 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

unlucky mate

as for the U-turn i wasnt that good till she said dont look down look straight ahead & that changed it for me & did it no prob in my test & passed 1st time Razz

but once i knew how to do it good i said i wanna keep trying this for a while(well im paying!) then done a few more of them & felt confident enough for the test

i also just jumped straight on to the 500's they asked if i wanted the 125 but i said "NA been practicing on a gixer 600 before hand" Mr. Green

did YOU go straight for the 500?
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PostPosted: 10:40 - 07 Jul 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

I never intend to do another u-turn now I have passed my test! I hated them, but the only thing that got me through eventually was practise practise practise. Dull I know but it 's worth it inthe long run. My test was on a Monday and I spent all weekend doing u-turns in a trading estate.
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PostPosted: 11:11 - 07 Jul 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

I failed my test too - going to slow on a road as unsure of the speed limit. I was dreading the U turns as the week before I was only doing 50% of them with the instructor. Had to keep putting my foot down. Anyway the instrcutor had me do one U turn in the morning of test day and I did it! I also did the one on test the same afternoon!!!

I just needed to ride along a little further before starting the turn. This set me up nicely as my clutch control and revs were ok. Thumbs Up

Good luck for the next one.
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PostPosted: 12:25 - 07 Jul 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

I failed the first time on a U-turn too....seems to be quite a club of us eh Laughing

It was mainly due to a bad situation where the examiner chose for me....a cambered downhill street, and having to select a starting point that was behing a large minibus with blacked out windows so no real visibility. All just went to knock my concentration as I had bee fine during training.

After this my tutor decided to not only train me to do them again but train me to do them to a far better standard than required so even tricky situations wouldnt be a problem.

I was made to go round and round in circles on the bike, decreasing them each time, this teaches you to do u-turns in small spaces and to stop thinking about them so much and instead just do them...worked for me.

The examiner also showed me the extremes that a bike can lean over without falling which helps to get it into your mind, and stop being concerned about falling during a u-turn which is why your brain tells your body to put your foot down.
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PostPosted: 12:32 - 07 Jul 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

God dam those U Turns Evil or Very Mad
They're the biggest pain in the ass & the reason why I'm putting off booking my test. Tut.
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PostPosted: 12:57 - 07 Jul 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

I failed my first attempt on the u-turn.
Never had a problem doing the turn itself but I forgot to do a lifesaver before starting the turn. Embarassed
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PostPosted: 13:25 - 07 Jul 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

FreshAL wrote:
You're allowed to 'dab' a foot on the U turn due to nerves, but if you use it for support you're supposed to fail. Basically, if your foot comes off the peg you'll be lucky to pass.


I put my foot down in mine and passed.............although it was in January a few years ago when we had snow and ice so I reckon he took pity on me. His debrief started with "Well that was a nervous looking ride" my reply was something along the lines of "Well that may have ben down to the fucking snow on the road" Laughing Laughing
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PostPosted: 15:05 - 07 Jul 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

Absolutely rev the knackers off the bike - I mean it, make lots of noise, and just hold it on the clutch. Ignore the noise, ignore the smell, possible backfire etc, and keep your head UP and looking to where you want to go, not where you are actually going.

Once that 'fear factor' that comes with a natural 'look where you are going' instinct we have is overcome (by looking where you want to go) you'll get round. Took me two attempts at the test. First one was doing the U Turn, distracted by hundreds of school kids on the pavement on either side of the road coming out of school. Not the safest place/time to do a U turn - I shoulda have waited, and damn the examiner's evil stare as I waited, waited, then figured I'd better go, ready or not.

2nd time round, quiet road, even narrower than the narrow road first time, needed full lock for a part of the turn, I just thrashed the thing and got it round without any hiccups.

On my Cg125 I'd been practising and gotten bored of literally turning it on full lock round and round and round and round... On the 500 it's different - similar turning circle, but more weigth and bike is wider/bigger, so feels like the road is smaller :S

I tried a u turn on the Thunderace yesterday - that was a mistake!

Ended up having to catch it with one hand a few centimetres off the floor, and haul it up (not easy with 220+ kg of bike, but I'm no lightweight myself).

Thank god no one was around to see me make an arse of myself :S
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PostPosted: 15:08 - 07 Jul 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hmmm reads like I had 2 attempts on the U turn - not so - failed first test 10 mins in on U turn - felt like going back there and then, but pottered through rest of test with 2 minors.

2nd test, nearly screwed up rest of test after U turn - wrong turn made test 25 mins longer than it needed to be, picked up 8 minors, but passed - by riding much crapper.

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PostPosted: 15:22 - 07 Jul 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

Itchy wrote:
not that many people do U turns , but I find them pretty useful for city riding and when you see an accident up ahead, and I reckon it'd be an absolute necessity if you are a London courier,

a trick is to say I'm, not going to fall off , by the time you said it its over and done,


Definitely, I had no trouble with u-turns, but then I commuted in London every day and they are a necessity. Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 15:29 - 07 Jul 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

APNess wrote:
2nd test,<snnip>passed - by riding much crapper.


Ditto..

my first test, perfect apart from speeding. 35 in a 30. major and a fail.

was a wide, quiet road behind an industrial estate, going thru fields..

I let the speed creep, and by the time I'd spotted it, so had he Sad

Second test I didn't speed, but picked up several minors and passed.

you could argue that, technically, I was safer under the conditions during the first test.

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PostPosted: 16:00 - 07 Jul 2006    Post subject: test Reply with quote

naa I have been riding a nsr125 for 2 years but the turning circle is not good but I can do them just not as tight as the examiner want's them to be on back street's where they like to take ya.I can see it makes sense to keep your eye on where your exit is (or where you want to be going) but it is only natural to glace even if with the eyes just moving just to see if you have cleared the kerb on test day I did only mount the drop down kerb by 4-6 inches then came back down the kerb.my next test is on 28th july plenty of practising on the 125 til then.
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p.s I also dont agree that is should hinge upon one u-turn as putting your foot down isnt a major thing bit diff if you did it at 50mph! but them are the rules to be I suppose another thing too if I had of failed for just that why not just head back to the test centre and say come back another day instead of going through all the test with a fail?? doesnt make sense
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PostPosted: 17:09 - 07 Jul 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

Guide to a passable U turn:

Lifesaver over relevant shoulder to move off, slowly move along a few yards to gain momentum and balance, shoulder check then begin the turn. Keep the rear brake applied throughout the manouvere as much or as little as needed, and use the throttle and clutch to regulate your speed. The trick is to take a quick glance at the kerb then look in the direction your going and ensure you stay upright with your weight pretty much central. And be confident Wink you dont necessarily have to use full lock!

There's no rush and it should be slow, smooth and controlled.
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PostPosted: 17:25 - 07 Jul 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

I wasnt all that confident with my u-turns when going for my test, What helped me was practice in the street outside my house. I had difficulty keeping my speed down on a left hand U turn, because my arms were too big for the bike, meaning I couldnt control the clutch well at full lock. I practiced balancing throttle clutch and brake against each other to maintain the correct speed and eventually got it so I could ride round in continuous circles in the middle of the road. Have a practice mate it will do wonders for your confidence, and good luck next time. Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 17:39 - 07 Jul 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

Wish you look with your next test,passed mine on a gs500.And was dreading the u turn,as previous day training they were shit.(look first)When you walk the bike round ready to take the u turn make sure you get the bike as close to the curb as possible.I had it a few millimeters away so as i sat back on the bike my left foot was on the path.
Give it a try
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