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jb
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PostPosted: 18:12 - 08 Jul 2006    Post subject: Derestricting Reply with quote

derestricting??? how do you go about doing this, plus do you have to inform the insurance company??? is it legal???


Any help greatly appreciated..
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ncrn
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PostPosted: 18:17 - 08 Jul 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

different bikes are restricted in differnet ways.

you have to inform an insurance company technically

and it is legal if you are 17 riding a 50cc or you have you A2 lisence and are riding a 125 or you have finished the 2 year wait period of your A2 and are removing the restrictors.
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PostPosted: 00:11 - 09 Jul 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

jb, what are you wanting to destrict?

If its a 125 2 stroke, yes you can drestrict it. Is it legal: no, inform the insurance: yes-and youre not insured, no-and the insurance find out-and youre not insured.

If its a 124 4 stroke-nope, not at all. It will be producing maximum power as is.

If you are talking about the 33bhp after passing your test. Yes you can, but the same applies here as does for the 125 2stroke.
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jb
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PostPosted: 16:42 - 10 Jul 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

i am new to biking, am 19 so going for the full a2 license(but ill be restricted).


The bikes im looking at are the aprillia rs125 and cagiva mito 125, can't choose!!!! dammit

they are restricted right? so when i get my license A2(it will be on one of these bikes) do i have to inform the insurance company??? or can i just go ahead and derestrict it to get more hp to about 30hp still in the limit of the license.

any help appreciated... its quite confusing when your just starting off!!!
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THCi
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PostPosted: 17:04 - 10 Jul 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

If you are going a2, forget the 125's get a 400+ bike and reap the rewards.

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jb
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PostPosted: 18:38 - 10 Jul 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

how can i get a 400+ bike when im limited to a 33hp bike with 125cc only??? not forgetting the power to weight ratio
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PostPosted: 22:29 - 10 Jul 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

You're not limited to 125cc. You are limited to 33bhp. You could ride a hayabusa if you wanted to, so long as it was 33bhp. Personally I have a restricted 600 bandit.

An RS125 is restricted yes, derestricted it'll make 33bhp. That's OK to do once you pass.

If you're going to want something to learn on, get a 125. If you're going to do your test soon, get it done and get a restricted 400 or whatever. You'll only get bored with revving the nuts off the 2t 125.

Or, get a CG125, ride that around a bit, pass your test, sell the CG on for what you paid for it then get a restricted 400.
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PostPosted: 22:38 - 10 Jul 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

hes right power to w8 ratio comes into it now, technicly im not allowed to ride my cb 500 on my licence coz it works out to 0.194 bhp per kilo and we're allowed 0.16? altho its gotta be aload of shit this 33bhp hasnt even got a legal document so how the fuck they expect ppl to stick to it i dont know.
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PostPosted: 22:57 - 10 Jul 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

phk6 wrote:
hes right power to w8 ratio comes into it now, technicly im not allowed to ride my cb 500 on my licence coz it works out to 0.194 bhp per kilo and we're allowed 0.16? altho its gotta be aload of shit this 33bhp hasnt even got a legal document so how the fuck they expect ppl to stick to it i dont know.


That makes no sense. Assuming you've got an A2 licence, you're restricted to 33bhp. If you're right and we're allowed a certain power to weight ratio, that would suggest lighter bikes like the RS125 would be illegal for an A2 holder to ride, example:

33 / weight of RS125 = x
33 / weight of CB500 = y

Now because the CB500 is heavier than the RS125, x will be bigger than y. This means that x may come above the power/weight limit, but y may not. Presumably this means that you'd have to restrict the RS to less than 33 in order to not violate the power to weight ratio requirement.

If your bike isn't 33bhp, then you're invalidating your licence regardless of power to weight ratio because you're riding something too powerful.

Am I the only person that's stuck to 33bhp? I didn't want to go from a 10bhp scooter to a 78bhp bandit so I had it restricted. And a lot of insurance companies now ask for proof of restriction, even if it's just a dyno of your bike putting out 33bhp - I've seen a couple of panicky threads on here "how do I restrict my bike quickly and cheaply, insurance company wants to see proof of 33bhp and well there isn't any". So maybe they're cracking down on it, I dunno.
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PostPosted: 00:46 - 11 Jul 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

Seems like it Dot_Comm, mine aint restricted my years Bandito makes 75.6bhp (as specified, mine prolly makes about 70bhp at the wheel). Power to weight at 0.26 Whistle
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PostPosted: 01:27 - 11 Jul 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dot_Comm wrote:
phk6 wrote:
hes right power to w8 ratio comes into it now, technicly im not allowed to ride my cb 500 on my licence coz it works out to 0.194 bhp per kilo and we're allowed 0.16? altho its gotta be aload of shit this 33bhp hasnt even got a legal document so how the fuck they expect ppl to stick to it i dont know.


That makes no sense. Assuming you've got an A2 licence, you're restricted to 33bhp. If you're right and we're allowed a certain power to weight ratio, that would suggest lighter bikes like the RS125 would be illegal for an A2 holder to ride, example:

33 / weight of RS125 = x
33 / weight of CB500 = y

Now because the CB500 is heavier than the RS125, x will be bigger than y. This means that x may come above the power/weight limit, but y may not. Presumably this means that you'd have to restrict the RS to less than 33 in order to not violate the power to weight ratio requirement.

If your bike isn't 33bhp, then you're invalidating your licence regardless of power to weight ratio because you're riding something too powerful.

Am I the only person that's stuck to 33bhp? I didn't want to go from a 10bhp scooter to a 78bhp bandit so I had it restricted. And a lot of insurance companies now ask for proof of restriction, even if it's just a dyno of your bike putting out 33bhp - I've seen a couple of panicky threads on here "how do I restrict my bike quickly and cheaply, insurance company wants to see proof of 33bhp and well there isn't any". So maybe they're cracking down on it, I dunno.


To my knowledge, if you _did_ have a geniune 33BHP RS125, you could not ride it on an A2 license.

Needs to be 0.16kW/KG

a 33BHP RS125 is 25kW/142KG = 0.176kW/KG.

So there.
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PostPosted: 01:35 - 11 Jul 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

The risk is up to you, search the threads for good and bad points of breaking your restriction, if you do decide to stick you might aswell do it properly.
Would be nice to know as a percentage how many people abide fully to 33bhp.
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jb
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PostPosted: 12:17 - 11 Jul 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

thanks for the info guys!!!

i just checked out the DSA website, they only care that its is 33hp or less and a power to weight ratio of 0.16kw/kg

but if you get a bigger engined bike and restrict it wouldnt it struggle.

plus if i need to use it all year round, i do about 30miles a day a 125 wouldnt last rite? bigger bike are longer lasting???
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PostPosted: 18:00 - 11 Jul 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

Much longer lasting. A big engined 4 stroke can go for an easy 50,000 miles at least with nothing more than regular oil and filter changes and the occasional valve clearance check & adjust. It's more suited to day to day riding and any long distance motorway/dual carrigeway riding.
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PostPosted: 19:38 - 11 Jul 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

thanks for that,

whats the best 250, 400?? lol Very Happy
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PostPosted: 19:56 - 11 Jul 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

2300 CC ala Rocket III Razz

In short, there is no best. Consider your usage of bike and choose from there. Thumbs Up
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