Flip up Visor / Chin guard

[Dave1216]

Hi,

What is the stance on riding with the chin guard up. I've got an AGV Longway.

It is my understanding that Flip up's are tested as full face's so have to be ridden with them down. However, for city use - has anybody actually got pulled up on it. If so, was it 3 points and a fine - or just a warning?

[Lawnie]

[Dave1216]

Sorry, i don't think i made it clear.

I mean using a full face helmet that has a flip up chin guard with the chin guard in the up position. I was told that as they are tested as full face helmets then they need to be in the down position. I tried checking the BS numbers and searching on the net, but didn't turn up much.

[Lawnie]

I really don't think that this will be a problem, but let's see what others say...

[Amorphous]

Don't know about the legality about it but when I did CBT I was told riding with the chin guard up was a bad idea because it acts like a sail, pulling your head back which means more neck strain, and if you fall off it may lead to your head being twisted about more than if the guard was locked in position.

I suppose it may be another of those calculated risks where you have to decide for yourself how fast you're likely to be going and therefore whether the above points present much of a problem.

[lumphammer]

I have seen a few plods riding in London with the chin-guard up but that doesn't mean to say it's legal.

I was also told by my instructor that, if you do it on the test, it's an instant fail.

I would agree with Amorphous that, at speed, it could be dangerous but at low speed.... well, up to you.

The helmet would only be receive BS Approval with the chin-guard in the correct down position. There may also be an insurance issue if you were to have an off and suffer injuries that may have been prevented with the chin-guard down.

I know how you feel in this 'ot weather - I have a Shuberth flip-up and am tempted but, so far have restisted.

[feef]

don't know of anyone being pulled, but flip-front lids are tested and classified as full face, so technically you're not wearing an appropriate lid when riding with the front up. TBH, I'd not want to do so anyway, but that comes down to personal evaluation of risk.

Roof boxer helmets are classified as open face, so can be riden with the chin-piece up.

Shuberth make an open-face lid, with a removeable chin 'bar' These helmets qualify and meet all Full Face lid standards, but give the feel of an openface helmet as it's only a single bar, about 1cm in diameter that runs round the front.

I think if you were pulled for riding with an open lid, and that alone, you'd be very unlucky. However, if you were pulled for something else, it might just be something they can add to the sheet.

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[tribal_tiger]

Legally, your meant to have them down

I used to have a flip, and would open it when it was mentally hot, never got stopped, even when riding along behind bike coppers.

I think it's one of those things they can use to stop you if they want to take a look for other things, I've never heard of anyone getting done for it. Doesn't mean it doesn't happen though.
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[sagiliam]

I got a flip up, and i think it is ok to ride with it up, altho not the best idea. I have never been stopped. I am fairly sure that my cbt guy said it wasnt a legal requirement to ride with it closed.

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[jok]

From lessons, I seem to remember it's technically illegal to ride with the chin-piece up. That is not to mentioned it's a bad idea: if you do crash, it's a nice lever to twist your head in an odd direction, on the BMW lids at least the chin piece comes off quite easily in the up position and it's basicly strapping the weight of a full helmet to your head for the protection a jet helmet would provide.

In practice, I found it makes little difference to just putting the visor up unless you're going very slowly - I had to put up the chin-guard on my lid during u-turn practice because my glasses would steam up otherwise during a particularly hot day a few months back.

Last, but not least, you look like a muppet with the thing up
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