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Alastair
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PostPosted: 11:57 - 31 Jul 2006    Post subject: Another “my bike wont start” topic. Sorry. Reply with quote

Well, I seem to have an intermittent starting problem on my Yam TDR 125 (although now fitted with a DTr engine hence no electric starter).

Last week I rode into work one afternoon and when I went to leave 1 hour later nothing was catching when I kicked it over. Cue 40 mins with my very limited on bike tool kit trying to find out what was wrong.

Plug was sparking OK but I changed it anyway (this rules out a dodgy kill switch right?), does that mean the battery is OK too (dash lights and indicators/brake working fine)? Lots of petrol in it, fuse fine.

Gave up and got a lift home. Came back to it the next day and it started first time no problems. Pushed it to the back of my mind and hoped it would go away. Never wise I know!

This morning, exactly the same problem for no apparent reason when it’s been fine in the 5 days or so in between. Not been used since Friday about 6 pm by the way.

All I can think of is a problem with the carb stopping fuel getting through to the engine but I don’t fancy pulling it all apart and losing tiny little intricate parts if I don’t have to.

Could it be a dodgy battery? I don’t have access to a charger unfortunately to check. Anything else it could be?

Thanks for looking.
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garth
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PostPosted: 13:04 - 31 Jul 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

fuel starvation? blocked fuel line?

crap in the carb? drain the float bowl

coil breaking down?

if it has a spark, it's fuel.

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Alastair
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PostPosted: 13:21 - 31 Jul 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

garth wrote:
fuel starvation? blocked fuel line?

crap in the carb? drain the float bowl

coil breaking down?

if it has a spark, it's fuel.

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Thanks

Will check the fuel line properly tonight now I guess I can rule out the battery.

Drain the float bowl?? Something I can do with carb still all attached? Please excuse my ignorance.

What do you mean by coil breaking down? Wouldn't that stop a spark? I thought the coil was an electrical part of the ignition circuit?
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garth
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PostPosted: 13:25 - 31 Jul 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

on the bottom of your carb there is a screw, undo it, fuel will piss out the overflow.

It should run clear.
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PostPosted: 13:30 - 31 Jul 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks very much dude.

Will def try that tonight.
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PostPosted: 03:25 - 01 Aug 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

Was it getting low on fuel (i.e. you had to switch to reserve shortly after) these two times it wouldn't start?

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PostPosted: 10:45 - 01 Aug 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

finpos wrote:
Was it getting low on fuel (i.e. you had to switch to reserve shortly after) these two times it wouldn't start?

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No, has at least 3 litres over the reserve I'd say.

Wouldn't start again when I checked last night.

My haynes manual isn't very helpful for the carb issues I'm afraid, doesn't seem to be the same carb in their pics as on my bike.

I struggled to find the screw to drain the float last night, would it be a bolt on the underside of the black plastic bit at the bottom of the carb (float bowl?). I did tinker with a screw I thought it was from the diagram in the haynes but that I think turns out to be the pilot screw, funny thing is it started after I fiddled with that but now this morning again it was a no go Sad

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finpos
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PostPosted: 08:03 - 02 Aug 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

Not all carbs have the drain screw - don't get too upset if you can't find it Smile

You say the engine has been changed for a kickstart only model. How long ago was that, and is this your first kickstart bike? I ask because your starting technique may need a bit more refinement if that's the case.

first:
New plug
Put screw back where it was - you do remember Smile

from cold:
full choke
no throttle
two or three kicks
not started? give up before you flood it.

from hot or even slightly warm:
no choke
0 to 1 quarter throttle (try slowly rolling it open as you kick - tricky!)
two or three kicks
not started? give up before you flood it.



With an electric start, you can just keep churning away with not-quite right choke/throttle settings until it starts. If you flood a kickstart bike you're stuffed.

Sorry if this is granny sucking egg territory Smile

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PostPosted: 17:15 - 02 Aug 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

Can I add:
Clean the air filter if it hasn't been done.
If the engine won't start after a few kicks and you think the engine might be flooded try turning the choke off, holding on full throttle and then kick it over like a madman.
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Alastair
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PostPosted: 15:03 - 10 Aug 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

finpos wrote:
first:
New plug
Put screw back where it was - you do remember Smile

from cold:
full choke
no throttle
two or three kicks
not started? give up before you flood it.

from hot or even slightly warm:
no choke
0 to 1 quarter throttle (try slowly rolling it open as you kick - tricky!)
two or three kicks
not started? give up before you flood it.



With an electric start, you can just keep churning away with not-quite right choke/throttle settings until it starts. If you flood a kickstart bike you're stuffed.

Sorry if this is granny sucking egg territory Smile

finpos.


Kinda forgot about this thread.

You know what finpos, even though I though I knew what I was doing this advice seems to have done the trick. I did put a new plug in and put the screw back as best I could. I also did an oil change whilst I was at it (just for fun like)!!

Ever since then and following your starting advice it's started up first or second kick every time. The main thing I've learnt from your post is the no choke if even slightly warm.

Thanks again for the advice.
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