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PostPosted: 10:47 - 01 Aug 2006    Post subject: SV650S???? Reply with quote

I went window shopping yesterday and saw the 2006 SV650s and am very tempted. Does anyone here ride one and what do you think of it? Currently ride a VFR400 so is there a big difference and is it worth the change? Any suggestions?
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PostPosted: 11:01 - 01 Aug 2006    Post subject: Re: SV650S???? Reply with quote

I ride the older mode.
Some people claim there's a big difference between the new and the old model, others claim there isn't.

Personally, for 'fun' riding, I'd stick with the VFR anyday.
The SV engine is 'easier' to use to go the same speed, but much less rewarding when you do, in my opinion.

I definitely wouldn't be paying new prices for one - think the 06 model will be pretty much the same as the 03 model.
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PostPosted: 11:04 - 01 Aug 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

They're a sound bike, fast enough but not pant wetting fast.
Some people find them a bit tall?
Had one 3 years and only gripe is uncomfortable seat.
Seems to dig in top of my thighs aftre a couple of hours.
Tail tidy improves the rather bizarre looking rear mudguard/numberplate mount.
I get about 60mpg.
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PostPosted: 11:04 - 01 Aug 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've only ridden a 99 Curvey SV, Had nice low down and midrange grunt and lacked anything topend which took some fun out. Fairly easy to ride and sounded lovely with a race can.

I know it was probably this bike due to it's age and milage but the handling was total and utter shite, I was pushing it hard and fast and it wasnt liking any of it. The front end was shaking at every bump and the rear was wollowing at the same time. Very scary.
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PostPosted: 11:11 - 01 Aug 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

Having not ridden a sports 400 I cant really comment. I like mine, but then most of my riding is urban.

The front forms really could do with uprating, many people replace the springs. If I whack a pot hole too hard, it can have a nasty judder to it.

I've got an 03 model, so before the frames went black. Not bad looks wise, I have the naked version.

Only down side is the suzuki quality. Even in the summer, I've started to spot surface rust on exposed parts. Not too great.

Would probably buy one again, I might go for the 1000 next.

Oh, it is quite a high ride for a twin.
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PostPosted: 11:47 - 01 Aug 2006    Post subject: Re: SV650S???? Reply with quote

G wrote:
I definitely wouldn't be paying new prices for one - think the 06 model will be pretty much the same as the 03 model.


Smile Thumbs Up I feel the same. Not worth buying new when there's been so little changes.

I have owned two older models and enjoyed them thoroughlly, take a test ride and see if you like how the vtwin feels. Smile
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PostPosted: 12:04 - 01 Aug 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

I ride the 2001 model, I love it, its nippy, its a v twin so its fab for round town, its quick off the mark and economical on everything. Some say its not that good for long commutes, but ive ridden from Hampshire to Cheshire in terrible windy conditions and did fine...went to a rally with all my kit on my bike - no probs.

I would suggest you always test ride a bike before buying it though, some say the sv is quite tall, I wouldnt know Ive got long legs and sit on it with bent knees...

I too went from a Bros 400 to the sv, and found the sv lighter and easier to ride. If it comes with Metzler tyres, swap them to Dunlop 207's, these are absolutely the best tyre for this bike.
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PostPosted: 12:16 - 01 Aug 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

Clanger wrote:
If it comes with Metzler tyres, swap them to Dunlop 207's, these are absolutely the best tyre for this bike.

Depends what riding you do, I expect.

Personally, I've seen enough people crash in marginal conditions on 207s, when other tyres would have been fine, that I wouldn't have them on my bike.

Never noticed anything really remarkable about them otherwise, personally.
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PostPosted: 12:24 - 01 Aug 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks for the responses. I have looked at the specs for the SV and to be honest they dont look much different to my VFR, top speed it says is 133 at 70bhp. mmm, now do I go for an SV, look for an R6 or have hubbys ZX6 and he can have a bigger bike? Rolling Eyes I dont like these decisions. Confused
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PostPosted: 12:37 - 01 Aug 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

Clanger wrote:
If it comes with Metzler tyres, swap them to Dunlop 207's, these are absolutely the best tyre for this bike.


I believe they come witjh the Z4 tyres or Some dunlops as standard. The Z4's are appaling. All dunlops are even worse. Whoever told you the 207s are good for the sv are very wrong.

go to the sv650 forums, they normally recomment Metzeler Z6 tyres for all round use. I have NEVER seen the dunlops recommended by anyone on there, and there are loads of "what tyres are best" threads.

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PostPosted: 12:41 - 01 Aug 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

There have been quite a few changes actually between the k3 and k4. And then the k4 to the k5/6. Most useful is that the seat was changed to a nice squishy gel seat on the k5/k6 so it's a LOT more comfy to ride.

Changes from k3 to k4

Arrow Lowered rear subframe 5mm
Arrow Moved footpegs back slightly 5mm
Arrow Changed oil cooler position
Arrow Changed downpipe design
Arrow Increased power by 2hp to 72hp
Arrow Increased torque by 3ft/lb to 47.9 ft/lb

Changes from k4 to k5

Arrow Suspension now made by Showa
Arrow Changed radiator design
Arrow Changed that seat Wink
Arrow Introduced the black coloured frame
Arrow Added small cowl to naked version's clocks

(There are also a lot of differences between the naked and faired versions. They are not simply the same bike with the fairing removed)

I own a black k5 (of which they only made 250 so good luck finding one as it's the best colour Wink ):

https://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a129/extreme3d51/SV650sK5003.jpg
https://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a129/extreme3d51/SV650sK5010.jpg

I've owned it exactly 1 year from today (1st August) and covered 14000 miles in all weather conditions purely pleasure miles so you know I must really like it. It still looks like the day I bought it, dispite having been white with salt in winter!

As standard they come with a set of dunlops that are pretty dire to say the least. The don't grip in the wet at all and the compounds so hard they take a long time to warm up. In short if you keep them on you will come off as a result of them slipping out from under you! Change them and you will immediatly notice the difference. The most popular tyres at present are Metzler Z6's and Conti Road Attacks (currently on mine). Before that I had 020's as per the pics. To be fair, they were not bad either.
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PostPosted: 12:49 - 01 Aug 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

extreme3d wrote:
Changes from k3 to k4

Arrow Lowered rear subframe 5mm
Arrow Moved footpegs back slightly 5mm
Arrow Changed oil cooler position
Arrow Changed downpipe design
Arrow Increased power by 2hp to 72hp
Arrow Increased torque by 3ft/lb to 47.9 ft/lb

Changes from k4 to k5

Arrow Suspension now made by Showa
Arrow Changed radiator design
Arrow Changed that seat Wink
Arrow Introduced the black coloured frame
Arrow Added small cowl to naked version's clocks


Nothing really worth noticing. Laughing Well nothing that the average owner would care about anyway. They're jsut interested in making it look good Razz

P.S Jimmy those pictures are ancient, get some updated ones showing the rusty downpipe, corroded forks and furry nuts and bolts. Laughing Laughing Wink
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PostPosted: 12:49 - 01 Aug 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

nc30 chick wrote:
now do I go for an SV, look for an R6 or have hubbys ZX6


wow! Quite a bit of difference between an SV and the other two. I love my SV, but it's no sports bike. It's a do-it-all kinda little bike, and a great first bike after DAS. I think part of the reason some people slag the SV is that it looks like a sports bike (clip ons, pointy fairing etc) even though it really isn't.

I've never ridden a sports 400 (but have bimbled around on a CB1 for a while), but I think you'd quickly get bored of the SV. It's really easy to ride, but doesn't have the suspension/handling to be really pushed.

I'm a slow rider (really, I've only been riding big bikes 9 months) and still I'm finding myself with the throttle pinned on corner exits, thinking I'd like to be going faster except the front end is shaking.

For what little it's worth, my suggestion would be enjoy the VFR for a while, then start looking for a proper sports 600 if that's the way you want to go.
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PostPosted: 12:52 - 01 Aug 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

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P.S Jimmy those pictures are ancient, get some updated ones showing the rusty downpipe, corroded forks and furry nuts and bolts. Laughing Laughing Wink


I've not had the need to take any new photos as it looks no different Wink But just to please you, as soon as it stops raining i'll take some for you just to prove that only the SV's under your care rot Laughing
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PostPosted: 13:05 - 01 Aug 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

DynaMight wrote:
I know it was probably this bike due to it's age and milage but the handling was total and utter shite, I was pushing it hard and fast and it wasnt liking any of it. The front end was shaking at every bump and the rear was wollowing at the same time. Very scary.


They are very well known for having soft suspension. I have only started to notice mine now that I am pushing it harder.
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PostPosted: 13:12 - 01 Aug 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

Right, decision made. I think I would get bored too quickly of the SV as much as it is a lovely bike so im sticking to sports bikes and on the hunt for an R6 this weekend Very Happy
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PostPosted: 13:12 - 01 Aug 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

fuzz wrote:
DynaMight wrote:
I know it was probably this bike due to it's age and milage but the handling was total and utter shite, I was pushing it hard and fast and it wasnt liking any of it. The front end was shaking at every bump and the rear was wollowing at the same time. Very scary.


They are very well known for having soft suspension. I have only started to notice mine now that I am pushing it harder.


Can I just quickly point out here that the CURVY'S are well known for their soft suspension, NOT the pointies. They are two entirely different bikes sharing only the name. Nothing is interchangable between them Wink
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PostPosted: 13:19 - 01 Aug 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

nc30 chick wrote:
Right, decision made. I think I would get bored too quickly of the SV as much as it is a lovely bike so im sticking to sports bikes and on the hunt for an R6 this weekend Very Happy


Here....give it a test ride. Honestly. I found my sv more fun than the crappy, bland, boring zx6r I had. Just because it's faster doesn't mean you'll enjoy it more. Smile

Besides.....test rides are free. Razz
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PostPosted: 13:37 - 01 Aug 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

i have a 2001 sv650s its my first "big bike" up from my nsr125rr i have no bad feedback from it only that it tops out a little easy at 130mph and when braking hard the front end tends to dip and up get the back wheel lifting up off the floor a little i dont know if they have fixed the problem with when it rains on the new model as the front wheel flicks water up on the the top of the cylinder and stops the front cylinder from sparking but a front extender mud gaurd fix's that problem.
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PostPosted: 13:54 - 01 Aug 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

instigator wrote:
P.S Jimmy those pictures are ancient, get some updated ones showing the rusty downpipe, corroded forks and furry nuts and bolts. Laughing Laughing Wink



There you go Greg... happy now Laughing

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PostPosted: 13:58 - 01 Aug 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hmmmm...

You could have got Photoshop Pro, Tom to position the bike 50cm to the right. Not buying it. Razz

Wink

P.S I see you like the Conti Road Attacks too, huh? Urgh...me no likey.
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PostPosted: 14:00 - 01 Aug 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

paulthewitt wrote:
go to the sv650 forums, they normally recomment Metzeler Z6 tyres for all round use. I have NEVER seen the dunlops recommended by anyone on there, and there are loads of "what tyres are best" threads.

Paul


Really, thats really odd - lots of peeps from the sv650 forum and from the Suzuki owners totally agree with me on the D207's. I know a good few peeps from both sites who have tried and tested (me included) and love them to death.

Metz's are scarey in the wet around corners, very twitchy, yet me and those who have used the D's feel they are brilliant. That said, we do all ride the original sv's...perhaps something has changed with the bike that makes the M's better...who knows!

I know what I like to use, and I know what my pals from the other two websites use...thats good enough for me!
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PostPosted: 14:10 - 01 Aug 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

Clanger wrote:
paulthewitt wrote:
go to the sv650 forums, they normally recomment Metzeler Z6 tyres for all round use. I have NEVER seen the dunlops recommended by anyone on there, and there are loads of "what tyres are best" threads.

Paul


Really, thats really odd - lots of peeps from the sv650 forum and from the Suzuki owners totally agree with me on the D207's. I know a good few peeps from both sites who have tried and tested (me included) and love them to death.
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It's not odd as I thought everyone knew that the D207's that come with the SV when new are not the same as the D207's that you buy in the shops here Wink . Serously they are the Jap issue version and quite useless at our temperatures.


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PostPosted: 14:20 - 01 Aug 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

stick with the NC30 , I did a post which gave about 150 replies which over whelmingly said the NC30 was a better machine,

with the only things in favour of the SV being :

its newer (but of course newer doesn't mean more reliable)

lower maintenance since the SV650 is a commuter bike pretending to be a sports bike , while the NC30 is a HRC bred racing machine with ancillaries to make it a road bike,

is 2-3 insurance groups cheaper (SV650S = 10 , SV650 = 9)


However my critieria for chosing was based on corner attack ability as I already have a commuting bike at home.

However if you want to get rid of your NC30 I'm sure I'll give you a good price for it.
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PostPosted: 14:23 - 01 Aug 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Here....give it a test ride. Honestly. I found my sv more fun than the crappy, bland, boring zx6r I had. Just because it's faster doesn't mean you'll enjoy it more. Smile

Gutted.

Everyone else I've spoken to had fun characterful ZX6Rs Wink.
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