Senda 125 or CBR 125

Jon-W · Nova Slayer Joined: 02 Jul 2006 Karma :

Advantages of both, Which is better, which would be more reliable, Have more power and which one would generally last longer?
Comments appreciated.

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Rookie · World Chat Champion Joined: 09 Feb 2005 Karma :

The Senda is 4 stroke now? Confused

Jon-W · Nova Slayer Joined: 02 Jul 2006 Karma :

the senda 125 is and always has been 4 stroke. the 50's are still 2 stroke.
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Rookie · World Chat Champion Joined: 09 Feb 2005 Karma :

Never knew that.

The CBR is a 4 stroke too, so the performance is going to be pretty similar. The Senda might just have the edge because of the weight difference, but the CBR will have slightly better aerodynamics.

I'd go for the Senda; if it's a 1st bike you will more than likely drop it, and as an unfaired bike the Senda will cost considerably less when you drop it. Don't buy new, if you were considering it, you'll lose a lot of money.

Jon-W · Nova Slayer Joined: 02 Jul 2006 Karma :

o rite. i thought the value of four strokes didnt depreciate very much..Senda's have a habit of rattling to bits? Certainly the 2 strokes anyway..also dodgy electrics? anyone have any ideas if this is the case in the 125's?
Which of the two has a better output? CBR:13bhp Senda: ??

jon

Rookie · World Chat Champion Joined: 09 Feb 2005 Karma :

The Senda's have the same bhp output. It's not going to particularly fast, but it's also not going to be terribly sluggish, and it will make an excellent commuter in heavy traffic, as they're both quite narrow, the Senda particularly.

4 strokes depreciate less than 2 strokes to an extent, mostly because they can handle high mileage better than 2 strokes.

I've always heard Derbi have a fairly good reputation for build quality, but Honda have probably got the best in the motorcycling world. I'm not sure whether this holds true for the CBR125, but there's no reason why it wouldn't.

Jon-W · Nova Slayer Joined: 02 Jul 2006 Karma :

the thing is the Senda 125 has a Honda XR 125 motor in it..making it reliable(honda quality?)
The CBR is Watercooled and the Senda aircooled...Dont know if this would effect anything performance wise? The CBR has a larger carb aswell.

But Sendas are renowned for having dodgy wiring ( espetially in their moped models ) Anyone know if this is the case in the 125's?

jon

MRX Steve · Could Be A Chat Bot Joined: 02 Mar 2006 Karma :

Get the senda, i would also recommend you get the supermoto version instead of the trail version as the knobbly tyres on the trail are crap in wet weather. If well maintained well they will be as reliable as each other and last as long as each other. The Senda is also a lot cheaper than the CBR, You can get a senda for under £2000 while CBRs are around £2500
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sunbear · Could Be A Chat Bot Joined: 12 Jul 2005 Karma :

I would go for the Senda too. The CBR125 looks like a push bike with plastic bits stuck on. And you can always take it off road for a few laughs too Thumbs Up

I may be wrong but i would imagine the Senda would have quicker accelleration up to road speed too ? Thumbs Up

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stevo as b4 · World Chat Champion Joined: 17 Jul 2003 Karma :

The CBR will have a small top speed advantage over the Senda, but it's not enough to make a big difference. The CBR's engine is claimed to be 13bhp, while the Senda uses the less powerful but lighter 11.8bhp XLR/CLR engine. The Senda looks nice, is supposed to be quite tough, and is probably almost as practical as the Honda. The CBR would be the best choice for distance riding or motorways etc, and the Senda would be a better all round/in town riding machine. You can tune both of these bikes, with big bore kits, and cams and exhausts etc, not that it's worth it though. I just think the Air cooled OHC motor is more versatile and more tunable, as it's been around for about 30years. A senda fitted with a 20bhp XLR200 motor would be decent fun though i would imagine!

Duckyboos · Traffic Copper Joined: 06 Jul 2006 Karma :

I've been reading this with some interest, because I've had my eye on a CBR125 for a few weeks now. I failed my DAS about three weeks ago, I haven't really got the confidence for a large bike just yet. I've been learning on a CG125 but I hate the damned things. I need to find something that I can buy now for £1k or maybe just a few quid more, to ride on L-plates, to get some road experience up for my A2 licence...something fairly nice looking (I don't really like dirt/trail bikes or low-riders) and something physically small and light - I'm a female with a 29" leg and little upper-body strength. I've read up on the bad points on the CBR125 - its size, its mediocre top speeds and its lack of oomph... but this doesn't really bother me. I won't be doin' motorways, only city/town riding - mainly the 3 miles to work and back every day. It's not the cheapest to insure on a CBT - £600 bucks or thereabouts for the first year on TPF&T - but it looks to me like something that I wouldn't mind keeping for a while. Some guidance here, please? Would it really be such a bad first buy for me?

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Jon-W · Nova Slayer Joined: 02 Jul 2006 Karma :

Just been to look at the Senda in a showroom. Derbi has carried on the trend of messy wiring by the looks of it. Confused

I also feel the same way you do about the CBR125 duckyboos...Seeing it in the showroom i gota say it feels a lot more " solid " i guess that comes from being a honda. I can see myself getting along with one very well. The CBR ( or which ever one i end up with ) is going to be an upgrade from a 50cc 2 stroke.

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Duckyboos · Traffic Copper Joined: 06 Jul 2006 Karma :

Last time I was home in Northampton I popped by the local Honda dealership to see if they had any NSRs in that I could check for size, but the chap said they didn't make them any more, and that the CBR125 was pretty much its replacement. I didn't go much on it at the time, because I had big ideas on getting my full license and burnin' off on a 600 Bandit or summat. Things haven't quite worked out as I'd planned tho and I reckon I'm gonna head back there and take a proper look at the CBR.

Most of the second-hand ones I'm finding on the interwaffle are only 2 or 3 years old, and hopefully, with them being a 4-stroke, they're unlike to have been ragged witless like the 2-strokes that I'm repeatedly warned about. But if anyone has any reasons why I should steer clear...

MRX Steve · Could Be A Chat Bot Joined: 02 Mar 2006 Karma :

How tall are you two thinking of getting the CBR? Just thought id find out as the CBR is a tiny bike and if your over 6ft will probably end up looking like this ... Shocked

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Duckyboos · Traffic Copper Joined: 06 Jul 2006 Karma :

Heh! God no! He looks about twice my height! I'm 5'6". They didn't seem all that small when I looked at them in the showroom, but I'm gonna take another look.

happy days · L Plate Warrior Joined: 08 Aug 2006 Karma :

hi are parts easy to get for the derbi senda supermoto 125