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Essex_Mike
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PostPosted: 17:09 - 07 Aug 2006    Post subject: this is embarrasing but... Reply with quote

i couldn't think of anyone better to ask. right:

i have only recently got on the road after passing my CBT, i am still learning (obviously). but whenever i come to a standstill like at traffic lights or roundabouts im fine. i dn't stall the bike. but when i go to pull away the bike always stutters, and then sometimes stalls.

is it just where im not giving it enough throttle? or letting the clutch out too quickly.

cheers, Mike Embarassed
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G
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PostPosted: 17:14 - 07 Aug 2006    Post subject: Re: this is embarrasing but... Reply with quote

A bit of both.
You probably need to slip the clutch more. This will give you a smoother get away.
Slipping the clutch is where you hold it halfway out, around the 'biting point'.

You may also need to rev the engine a bit more.

Don't worry, we all had to start somewhere Smile. And it should come fairly quickly as you get used to it.
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Essex_Mike
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PostPosted: 17:36 - 07 Aug 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

oki cheers. Thumbs Up
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Clanger
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PostPosted: 17:50 - 07 Aug 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yeah slip the clutch, I have to do that or I pop wheelies!
And dont be embarrassed to ask, we were all learners at some stage in our lives... Smile
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cestrian
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PostPosted: 18:37 - 07 Aug 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

Mike, did you complete your CBT on a CG125?
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Essex_Mike
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PostPosted: 18:45 - 07 Aug 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

yeh, i was fine on the CG125. though this bike is a dam site older.
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PostPosted: 18:55 - 07 Aug 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

If you were happy with the CG, have a look at your clutch cable. When you release the clutch, where is the biting point?
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Essex_Mike
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PostPosted: 18:57 - 07 Aug 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

just over half way. are clutch cables expensive to replace?
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PostPosted: 18:59 - 07 Aug 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

They aren't and I doubt that is the issue.

The TZR will probably have less low down power and higher gearing, making it harder to pull away than the cg - but more fun once you're going Smile.
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PostPosted: 19:02 - 07 Aug 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

the previous owner did say that the bike didn't like lower speeds. i guess this is what he meant.
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PostPosted: 19:05 - 07 Aug 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thats what I was thinking. The 4-stroke CG engine will produce more torque in the lower revs and will therefor be harder to stall.
Just a matter of getting used to the foibles of a 2-stroke.
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Rob
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PostPosted: 22:45 - 07 Aug 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

If you have driven a car before, slipping the clutch on a bike can seem a bit like the wrong thing to do as you would generaly never do it on a car. Also people seem to have problems thinking that they are over revving it before pulling away, but again that's not usually the case. A few more revs and a bit more clutch slippage and you will be fine. It will start to come naturally in no time!

Of course, then you will get a new bike and it will all feel different again!!
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PostPosted: 00:01 - 08 Aug 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

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If you have driven a car before, slipping the clutch on a bike can seem a bit like the wrong thing to do as you would generaly never do it on a car.


Have to agree 100% there - took me a long time to get into the habit of clutch slipping - with a few very tricky moments Embarassed Embarassed

On the subject of clutch slip - is it the done thing to slip when turning sharp corners i.e junctions?
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PostPosted: 08:51 - 08 Aug 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

Slipping the clutch on tight corners etc is what the instructors tell you to do . It stops too much power coming out of the back wheel while turning so you dont go wide Thumbs Up Or at least thats what my instructor told me ! I sometimes do it, sometimes not , depends on speed etc
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PostPosted: 09:11 - 08 Aug 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

Cheers SB Thumbs Up . My instructor never mentioned that (along with quite a few other things Mad )
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PostPosted: 09:11 - 08 Aug 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

sunbear wrote:
Slipping the clutch on tight corners etc is what the instructors tell you to do . It stops too much power coming out of the back wheel while turning so you dont go wide Thumbs Up Or at least thats what my instructor told me ! I sometimes do it, sometimes not , depends on speed etc



Do you mean as in U-turns etc????
Not heard of slipping the clutch on a normal corner, can't see that being overly safe mid corner.
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PostPosted: 09:21 - 08 Aug 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

sunbear wrote:

Not heard of slipping the clutch on a normal corner, can't see that being overly safe mid corner.


I'm not sure I'd want to be slipping the clutch at all going into a corner as I'd want drive fully engaged to stop me running wide, also there's the risk of your hand slipping off the clutch (or clutch cable snapping etc..) which could mean power being applied in a not so smooth manor.

Usually once your moving you shouldn't be slipping the clutch at all, if you need to it'd suggest to me your in the wrong gear.
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PostPosted: 09:56 - 08 Aug 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

I didn't mean a normal sweeping corner. I meant a tight corner like a left turn into a side road and at very low speed. Bearing in mind I'm a long-standing car driver who finds the idea of clutch slipping very strange (but I'm getting there Thumbs Up )
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PostPosted: 10:48 - 08 Aug 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

Noooooooooo not slipping clutch on normal bends or corners ! Slow speed tight turns !
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PostPosted: 10:51 - 08 Aug 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

I mean pulling away from junctions etc. straight into a corner. You dont want to be going round the corner in first gear without slipping clutch to control power and speed . To be honest i usually just whack it straight up into second and not bother slipping clutch .
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