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Didge
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PostPosted: 15:39 - 10 Aug 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

FreshAL wrote:
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some middle east muslim (politician I think) said a couple of years ago, " Not all Muslims are terrorists, but most terrorists are Muslims".
Never a truer word said.


That's just so much bollox

What about:

IRA & UDA/UFF in Ireland
Basque ETA in Spain
Timothy McVeigh in USA

About 21% of the Worlds population is Muslim, that's about 1.3 BILLION people.

You can't just write them all off as terrorists, that's just stupid


You're reply is stupid.
Read the quote again, it doesn't state that most Muslims are terrorists, it states ".....most terrorists are Muslims".
Compared with the groups you list, and possibly any other active groups, they pale in comparison to the amount of Muslim terrorists in the world.
These fuckers have been hijacking planes since the 70's, and since then, there's more and more of them.
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PostPosted: 15:45 - 10 Aug 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

Didge wrote:
some stuff


Sorry, I assumed you were jumping on the BNP bandwagon of "Let's ship 'em all back to Asia" Embarassed

Colin and Barry seem to have pretty much got it right to me.

You can't beat terrorists in military action. The more we try, the more moderate Muslims are getting convinced that actually, the west is out to destroy their way of life and they need to fight to protect it.

We need to stop fuckin g about in international politics trying to play world police
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PostPosted: 16:08 - 10 Aug 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

mondeokid wrote:
This incident will just cause more hatred and resentment towards Muslims


Why is it people pretend it won’t?

Or say that we should recognise that most of them aren’t out there to kill us?

Or make statements like “You don’t know any Muslims so shut up up, they aint all got bombs on”

Pisses me off, the reasons for these Middle Eastern people to threaten blowing up a few planes is argued between the British public, we end up with people sprouting all sorts of views, most of the them wildly inaccurate.

Some people I’ve spoken to have absolutely no interest in this situation, it does not affect them, why should it? You can’t do anything about it yourself and if you did, possibly something drastic, you’d be silenced pretty quickly.

Some people I speak to read into everything they can, quoting shite from one politician to the next trying to make me understand the situation at hand, at the end of the day you’re not going to make a difference to this, again, why bother, you’re wrong.

tribal_tiger wrote:
I think you put too much respect for the man on the street


I don’t think so, I’ve got a lot of respect for the man on the street.
It is the man on the street that’s going to die for things out of his control, the man on the street that’s going to fight if need be, no the politicians not the government, who flash images and names at you on a daily basis through the papers and TV.

Can you really blame the average working guy for thinking that Muslims are out to get you?
That the crisis over seas is because the poor people (the equivalent of himself living over there) deserve peace and a new government?
I bet the events on the 7th in London changed the minds of some people who first thought, they were safe, or at first thought it couldn’t be your average Muslim living in the capital that could do this.

Barry_MC21 wrote:
Religion is going to eventually kill off everyone. So sad!


Sadly religion has been used and abused in such a way over the decades that the things that tie in with it, being the respect, the money and the power have been abused also.

colin1 wrote:
I think if we stopped supporting the killing of Muslims for a few years and stopped trying to be Americas best buddy, the Muslim extremists wouldn’t be wanting to kill us or cause disruption.


I think Mr.Blair goes to bet thinking about this, but we’ve dug the hole we can’t climb out of.
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PostPosted: 17:24 - 10 Aug 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

At then end of the day it's the government's fault for being so lax on their borders and immigration control anyway.

What really riled me was the media attention, fucking BBC News all morning, meaning I missed Bargain Hunt.

If it overan to neighbours there would have been hell.

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THREAT LEVEL: CRITICAL
The current national threat level has been raised, indicating the likelihood of an imminent terrorist attack.


Taken from https://www.mi5.gov.uk/

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PostPosted: 18:40 - 10 Aug 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

Largely the media feed us what they want us to hear, the IRA are old news so the odd slaughter from them is no longer worthy of main stream news. however if you get a muslim to be suspected of a terrorist offence then every reporter is on the band wagon.

Again, when 'muslim terrorist' is use no one is discremanating against genuine muslims they are meerely targeting those scumbags that want to forcefully impose Islam on the western world.

All i have to say is that its a total discrase, these scum bags (along with any other imagrant here to rape our state) should be sent back to where the fucking came from.irrespective of wether they will be harmed or not. its stupid.

oh, and also the police said they stalled on getting these scumbags sooner is because they wanted them to be in the final stages of their plans so when they were caught they would have more incremanating evidence.

Boy i'd love to share a cell with one of these cunts
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PostPosted: 18:53 - 10 Aug 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

There is talk of the customs officials confiscating liquids off people saying the are concerned about liquid explosives.

Now, liquid explosives that would blow up an aeroplane in a small enough quantity to fit in your hand luggage. I know of only one and that is Nitro glycerine. Surely even a suicide bomber isn't stupid enough to carry nitro glycerine about with ambient air temperatures over 25 degrees?

The stuff becomes critically unstable at 13 degrees, over that and you just need to look at it sideways for it to blow (shaking the bottle would be more than sufficient). You wouldn't be able to carry it about with you.
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PostPosted: 19:08 - 10 Aug 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

stink its possible there are other types of explosive which are liquid that you dont know about.

"It has been reported that British officials found that the terrorists planned to use liquid explosives.[1][11] Liquid explosive materials, based on hydrogen peroxide [1], possibly combined with sulphuric acid [2], were to be used to avoid detection by baggage screening devices designed to detect solid explosives. This was to be concealed in carbonated beverage cans.

When mixed, concentrated sulfuric acid and hydrogen peroxide form Piranha solution, an extremely powerful oxidiser. Piranha solution will explode on contact with any oxygenated organic compounds, especially acetone."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2006_transatlantic_aircraft_plot#Liquid_explosives



Its also possible to keep liquids cool for a while with those things you put in coolboxes.Or freeze it and let it thaw slowly.

its also possible that the 'terrorists' dont have a clue how to make explosives, and have just pulled off a rather successful hoax resulting in widespread disruption
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PostPosted: 19:14 - 10 Aug 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi

While it seems that a threat has been averted, we now have the security services causing plenty of chaos because they have foiled a plot. Seems there is no need to be a suicide bomber. Just pretend to plan it badly and get caught and you can disrupt everything.

More worrying is that such security measures are not there on any normal day when no plot has been foiled. If they are necessary then they are needed every day. If they are not necessary then there are not needed today.

All the best

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PostPosted: 19:16 - 10 Aug 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

No doubt they'll use this as yet another excuse as to why we should have ID cards........ Mad
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PostPosted: 19:19 - 10 Aug 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

FreshAL wrote:

That's just so much bollox

What about:

IRA & UDA/UFF in Ireland


Ya missed lots out

IRA/INLA/RIRA/PIRA/SUI/UDA/UFF/UVF/UYM/RHC/LVF/RHD/OV

I thinks thats all of them but some have more in common with golf clubs than terrorist organisations Laughing
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PostPosted: 19:39 - 10 Aug 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sorry to change topic but is Andrew's "Banned" a custom title?
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PostPosted: 19:45 - 10 Aug 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

Spiral wrote:

Ya missed lots out

IRA/INLA/RIRA/PIRA/SUI/UDA/UFF/UVF/UYM/RHC/LVF/RHD/OV

I thinks thats all of them but some have more in common with golf clubs than terrorist organisations Laughing


You gripe but you love it really. You get nice painted curb stones, colourfull flags and the 12th July off work!

Over here we get flags for 2 weeks every 4 years when some tit heads loose at football! Wink
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PostPosted: 20:29 - 10 Aug 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

Toby R wrote:
Sorry to change topic but is Andrew's "Banned" a custom title?


I don't think so, as his posts are hidden on my screen.
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PostPosted: 20:37 - 10 Aug 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

Kickstart wrote:
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More worrying is that such security measures are not there on any normal day when no plot has been foiled. If they are necessary then they are needed every day. If they are not necessary then there are not needed today.

All the best

Keith


I'd go along with that, now that they have identified liquid explosives as a specific threat that our previous measures did not combat, they will have to employ the systems in use today for the forseeable future.

One hopes that people wearing religious dress (or any other embarassing items/sizes/attributes) will not find officers 'going easy' on them, as I have witnessed before.

I flew to France about 6 months after 9/11, and as someone who searches for a living, I was pretty disgusted at how feeble the searching was at Luton.
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PostPosted: 20:37 - 10 Aug 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

dmahon wrote:

Currently, Tony B Liar and his party are doing nothing but help the BNP. Though to be fair, if there were only two parites in UK politics, New Labour and BNP, I would currently vote for anyone that would keep New Labour out. I'm ashamed to say that I voted Labour in the 1997.


how could you hang your head in shame!
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PostPosted: 20:49 - 10 Aug 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

Mister James wrote:
Toby R wrote:
Sorry to change topic but is Andrew's "Banned" a custom title?


I don't think so, as his posts are hidden on my screen.


Mine too. What do you have to do to get banned - can't see any controversial posts?
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PostPosted: 20:51 - 10 Aug 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

Jesus_Christ wrote:
Spiral wrote:

Ya missed lots out

IRA/INLA/RIRA/PIRA/SUI/UDA/UFF/UVF/UYM/RHC/LVF/RHD/OV

I thinks thats all of them but some have more in common with golf clubs than terrorist organisations Laughing


You gripe but you love it really. You get nice painted curb stones, colourfull flags and the 12th July off work!

Over here we get flags for 2 weeks every 4 years when some tit heads loose at football! Wink


The 12th and 13th are public holidays but i think st patricks should be a national holiday here as well, if anything at least its another day of work Laughing
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PostPosted: 20:54 - 10 Aug 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

One thing really concerns me about this latest plot.
The police say that they believe the explosive device is in liquid form, and may possibly be carried aboard the plane in a drinks bottle by a terrorist posing as a passenger.
The airline react by stopping passengers taking any liquids aboard the aircraft.

Have you seen the catering staff that provide the onboard food???

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/graphics/2005/08/15/nba15b.jpg
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PostPosted: 21:03 - 10 Aug 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

At Heathrow, my understanding is that most of the catering staff for the airlines are Sikhs - as are a huge number of staff at my place. Southall and Hayes are massively Sikh areas, and they tend to have a monoply on the various industries at or near the airport.
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PostPosted: 21:46 - 10 Aug 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

Mister James wrote:
At Heathrow, my understanding is that most of the catering staff for the airlines are Sikhs - as are a huge number of staff at my place. Southall and Hayes are massively Sikh areas, and they tend to have a monoply on the various industries at or near the airport.


Yep! Sikhs are cool! Thumbs Up They're not trying to kill everyone in 'God's' war against the infidel like the Muslim scum. Also, they don't winge anything like Muslims who want everything their own way.
Sikhs generally just get on with life. If we had no Muslims in Britain, but the equivelent number of Sikhs instead, that would be ok with me.
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PostPosted: 21:53 - 10 Aug 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

Even though i've experienced the troubles in Ireland first hand in the early 90s, I don't think the Irish paramilitaries would ever had attempted something this big.

It would be too massive for them. Any foreign sympathy for the cause would go and the army would have not had to act along policing lines. ie all out attack, internment, forced removals etc.

The IRA have warned about pending explosions such as Manchester, plus they are not martyrs and would always have an escape route, unlike the muslim suicide bombers.

I don't think we can compare the two.
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PostPosted: 22:00 - 10 Aug 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

you just did
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PostPosted: 08:16 - 11 Aug 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

Didge wrote:

Yep! Sikhs are cool! Thumbs Up They're not trying to kill everyone in 'God's' war against the infidel like the Muslim scum. Also, they don't winge anything like Muslims who want everything their own way.
Sikhs generally just get on with life. If we had no Muslims in Britain, but the equivelent number of Sikhs instead, that would be ok with me.


they did protest about that play recently and got it cancelled,

but they ie minority groups give a shining example to us all , stand up to your beliefs as moaning about it which is what the natives do changes nothing, while places like France demo enmasse when there is a law they don't like.

Which might be a good idea , since we are to get the worst of both words , US style employment laws (ie v weak) , with high unemployment pushing 1.7million and rising.
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PostPosted: 08:24 - 11 Aug 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

mondeokid wrote:

The IRA have warned about pending explosions such as Manchester, plus they are not martyrs and would always have an escape route, unlike the muslim suicide bombers.


It's odd, going by sterotypes you'd expect it to be the Irish who blow themselves up! Not as a suicide bomber, just as a cock up!

(Don't forget Canary Wharf! They did a fair bit of damage to that!)
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PostPosted: 09:57 - 11 Aug 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

It just pisses me off. I don't have or have anything against Muslims i do however hate muslim extreemists.

I'd love to be put in a cell with one of those wankers.. just for a few minutes Twisted Evil

they have also once again managed to bugger up the airline industry which is already on its knees so i have no doubt it will mean job losses again and they have messed the quality of life for everyone wishing to use airtravel as they now have to go through rediculous screening processes for their own safety.

these bastards should be dragged out to trafelgar square and shot. Thumbs Up
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