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NinjaBoy
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PostPosted: 13:12 - 23 Aug 2006    Post subject: Hayabusa vs. GSXR-1000 Reply with quote

Does anybody know why the Suzuki Hayabusa 1300 is £150 CHEAPER than the Suzuki GSXR1000, even though it has 300cc more and I would have thought would be seen as the top of the range bike?

https://www.suzuki-gb.co.uk/model.asp?id=94 GSXR1000

https://www.suzuki-gb.co.uk/model.asp?id=21 Hayabusa 1300

See for yourselves
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PostPosted: 13:25 - 23 Aug 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

LukeVFR wrote:
You can't compare price by engine size. Confused

That's the thing, what have Suzuki compromised from the GSXR to make the Hayabusa cheaper? Build quality? Engine quality? Paint? Has to be something other than just engine spec.
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PostPosted: 13:27 - 23 Aug 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

Agreed, they are /very/ different bikes.

You can't really compare them in terms of engine size and price. Gixxer 1000 handles amazingly, very very quick. The 'busa is more of a hyper-touring thing. Comfortable, yet still shockingly quick.

Doesn't handle very well though, not very badly, but certainly not well.

EDIT, and I'll think you'll find it's just supply and demand, more people want the gixxer thou, so they'll charge more for it. R&D is the expensive bit aswell, rather than the actual price of components.

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PostPosted: 13:28 - 23 Aug 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

Because one is a performance bike and one is a big engine stuffed into a bucket of lard designed to be sold to accountants.

Hope that clears things up for ya.
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PostPosted: 13:52 - 23 Aug 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

The 'Busa is also a GSXR, I believe.

The technology in the GSXR has come along a lot recently, while the busa hasn't really been developed - just getting hand me down new parts like radial calipers.

Not sure about the GSXR1000, but I believe the new ZX10 (depending on what day they were made probably) has a couple more hp than the Busa.
Maybe less midrange, but we're talking a 25% capacity hike and you get slightly less power, a lot heavier bike with worse handling that's designed to go in straight lines well, but that's about it.


The GSXR1000 is definitely top of the range as far as sports bikes go.
The Busa is sat in it own range, alone.
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PostPosted: 14:09 - 23 Aug 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

G wrote:
The 'Busa is also a GSXR, I believe.

It is a GSXR, just a 'different breed' I guess just designed for different purposes
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PostPosted: 15:20 - 23 Aug 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

Actually it's a GSX1300R not a GSXR1300

Much like a ZXR600 is not ZX6-R

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PostPosted: 16:17 - 23 Aug 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

V4 wrote:

Much like a ZXR600 is not ZX6-R

Erm, got a feeling they are the same - as other wise there's no such thing as a ZXR600, at least as far as the UK market goes - I think maybe the model designation on the frame is ZXR600, while the bike is sold as the ZX6R.

There never was a ZXR600 like the ZXR750 - though I think both the GPZ and ZZR may have used that designation in some countries?


I'm pretty sure when the Busa first came out it was sold as a GSXR, maybe now that the litre bike have suprassed it in power stakes they have 'down graded' the model name to a more touring orientated one.
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PostPosted: 16:36 - 23 Aug 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

The gsxr1000 is a totally modern design, with quality suspension etc. The Hyabusa is an old design. Correct me if I'm wrong but very little has changed over the original right? Confused And it has less fancy chassis/suspension...
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PostPosted: 16:59 - 23 Aug 2006    Post subject: Re: Hayabusa vs. GSXR-1000 Reply with quote

NinjaBoy wrote:
Does anybody know why the Suzuki Hayabusa 1300 is £150 CHEAPER than the Suzuki GSXR1000, even though it has 300cc more and I would have thought would be seen as the top of the range bike?

https://www.suzuki-gb.co.uk/model.asp?id=94 GSXR1000

https://www.suzuki-gb.co.uk/model.asp?id=21 Hayabusa 1300

See for yourselves


see with the bussa having a larger bore which gives it its larger capacity a whole 300cc's of it means that there is less metal in the busa so you pay less Razz

na its probly coz the new gixxer has more technology it in then the busa
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PostPosted: 18:57 - 23 Aug 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

It has nothing to do with technology.

The GIXXER 1000 is lighter and more agile than the BUSA but what do you mean by 'Technology'...... The BUSA is a totally different vehicle, a bit like comparing a Sports car to a Bently Continental.

One is designed to get you from UK --- Southern France, 2 up at an alarming rate and the Gixxer 1000 is designed to go around a track.

Totally different bikes, absolutely nothing in common with each other, not comparable in any way.

BAZZA, handling means very little as not many people can ride to the bikes limits anyway...You'd probably find Mr Average could ride a BUSA around the twisties as quick as a Gixxer 1000.... That is what i have found anyway.
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PostPosted: 19:01 - 23 Aug 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

ram_doom wrote:
The gsxr1000 is a totally modern design, with quality suspension etc. The Hyabusa is an old design. Correct me if I'm wrong but very little has changed over the original right? Confused And it has less fancy chassis/suspension...


Your wrong!

The BUSA wasn't changed because it worked very well, so well that it has sold all over the world and whilst sales remain then its not worth updating.
The suspension is as adjustable on my K6 as it is on a Gixxer 1000, they are fitted with upside down forks with re-bound / compression damping & pre-load adjustment just the same.
The Gixxer has radial brakes where as the BUSA doesn't but then WHY do you need radial brakes for the road Confused
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PostPosted: 19:05 - 23 Aug 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

ram_doom wrote:
Correct me if I'm wrong but very little has changed over the original right? :.

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Your wrong!

The BUSA wasn't changed because it worked very well,

So he's right then Smile.

Don't know how much they've uprgraded the suspension on the Busa, but I'd be willing to bet it's no where near that of the GSXR1000.
I suspect this means that ignoring the weight and length, you can takle roads at a speed the Busa couldn't even consider on the GSXR1000.

Fully adjustable USD forks have been around for many years - and just because it has them doesn't mean it's good suspension - it can mean it's crap suspension with knobs on Wink.

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BAZZA, handling means very little as not many people can ride to the bikes limits anyway...You'd probably find Mr Average could ride a BUSA around the twisties as quick as a Gixxer 1000.... That is what i have found anyway.

Some bikes can be confidence inspiring - feeling that they can do a lot more and the only limit is how brave the rider is. While poor suspension, even when ridden slowly, on others can make people quite wary of getting a bike near their own limits on a bike they know well.
Of course depends a lot on the person.


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PostPosted: 19:06 - 23 Aug 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

Johnny GSX-R wrote:
BAZZA, handling means very little as not many people can ride to the bikes limits anyway...You'd probably find Mr Average could ride a BUSA around the twisties as quick as a Gixxer 1000.... That is what i have found anyway.


I was yanking your (Hayabusa owners) chain. Wink
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PostPosted: 19:58 - 23 Aug 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

The GSXR is fitted with better suspension, far better brakes, a higher-tuned engine and more sophisticated electronics and fuel injection. It also has more design put into it to stuff so much technology into such a compact package, has it's had more updates which require more testing and tooling.
That's one reason they are more expensive. The other is they are more desirable, and the higher demand commands higher retail prices.

The 'busa has changed hardly at all in 6 years. Back when it was released the biggest GSXR you could buy was the 750 - the 1000 wasn't invented. You can take the entire bodywork off a new hayabusa and fit it onto an original model, so long as you use the same front fairing bracket. The longer the production run the lower the cost of production.

Anyone who has ridden a 'busa will know that the bike's worst mechanical feature is the brakes. They really are very poor, due to a badly-sized master cylinder piston. The very least people do is fit decent pads, but many fit nissin calipers and master-cylinders.
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PostPosted: 23:41 - 23 Aug 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

the suspension on the busa is light years behind the 1000, it wasnt even all that good when it was released, cetainly not compared to r1's and blades of the day, so its poor by todays standard and i doubt you will find any1 else to say otherwise. brakes were always a noted weakpoint too
it is soft and with the big weight it makes it stable on bumpy roads, but if u push it you will soon run out of ability
great bike tho, huge engine, comfy, plush seat and great for distance
hugely tunable too if thats your thing
it figures that a full on sports bike with 7 years more development will have better suspension and brakes than a sports tourer no?
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PostPosted: 00:30 - 24 Aug 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

yea no doubt the gixer thou pisses all over the busa

different breed altogether!

busa is fastest in say a 10 mile race(JUST) but the gixer will be gone 1st & be quicker everywere else till about 180 odd

a busa is like a fast style harley

a gixer thou is just pure advanced technology Thumbs Up

& its my next bike Drooling
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PostPosted: 00:41 - 24 Aug 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

LUXY DJ wrote:

a busa is like a fast style harley


Confused Confused Confused Confused

Ridden many have you?
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PostPosted: 00:47 - 24 Aug 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

no none, but its a fat arse bike with a 1300 lump in it so its like a harley only faster


AKA LIKE A FAST HARLEY! Rolling Eyes

i could tell by your 1st post your feeling bitter cause you own a busa Laughing
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PostPosted: 00:53 - 24 Aug 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

LUXY DJ wrote:
no none, but its a fat arse bike with a 1300 lump in it so its like a harley only faster


AKA LIKE A FAST HARLEY! Rolling Eyes

i could tell by your 1st post your feeling bitter cause you own a busa Laughing


I'm not bitter, not at all.... I could buy any mass produced bike i want TBH (not that it has much to do with it). I chose mine because i carry a pillion and go further than my local cafe on Sunday to show off my chicken strips.
I actually go places in comfort on mine, i go touring, i play out, i rarely get passed so NO,,, i'm not bitter in the slightest.

What i am is fooked off that people make smart arsed comments about bikes they've read about or their mates dogs vet owns one and he says its shit...
Its called 'jumping on a band wagon'.
If you think it looks shit then fine, your eyes can't lie, but to say its like a fast Harley is a bit vague... Don't compare it until you've tried it, i didn't much fancy one until i'd spent 100 miles on one.
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PostPosted: 01:01 - 24 Aug 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

k fair enough but iv always said i dont like the look of them

but this isnt true

Johnny GSX-R wrote:
One is designed to get you from UK --- Southern France, 2 up at an alarming rate and the Gixxer 1000 is designed to go around a track.
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cause im sure the busa(from JAPAN) wasnt "designed" to get you from uk-south france was it? that just sounds like something YOU'VE done & im sure a gixer could get there in a alarming rate aswell,& a gixer1000 is not JUST for the track as im sure its alot nippier round city & country roads then a busa

downfall of it over the busa would be the position on long journeys
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PostPosted: 01:06 - 24 Aug 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yeh yeh yeh ok, its not designed for that specific run then Mr Pedantic. Laughing

Its purpose was to be a ballistic machine to beat the Blackbird and gain the Worlds Fastest Bike title, which it did, and which it still holds bacause the gentlemans agreement came out limiting all future machines to 186..
A Busa on test with Performance Bike mag hit 202mph on the radar but wasn't an official record.

The Gixxer 1000 is a Sports bike, the Busa isn't.
I don't like lightweight bikes hence i didn't buy one.
I do really like the look of the Gix1000 but we don't hit it off on the road.
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PostPosted: 01:11 - 24 Aug 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

Laughing
Mr. Green

this someones off gixerjunkies

& it aint a 1000 but WHAT A ARSE! Shocked Drooling


i mean how can ppl just not LOVE that sexy arse(deserves another drool)

Drooling Drooling

(ok 2)

https://img.photobucket.com/albums/v232/DJLUX/LUSHgixerarse.jpg
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PostPosted: 01:16 - 24 Aug 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

Looks like its been 'rear ended' by a car... It looks like a ducks arse.........naaaaa, a standard Gixxer 1000 K6 arse end is cool, not that up-swept mallard anus.
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PostPosted: 01:26 - 24 Aug 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

Laughing lmao

Neutral not happy mr busa Evil or Very Mad that arse is BUEATIFUL Razz


ok ok some for you then....
(& if you do this to YOUR busa then id like the look of the busa Cool )

https://img.photobucket.com/albums/v232/DJLUX/LUSHBUSAgixerthou.jpg
https://img.photobucket.com/albums/v232/DJLUX/lushbusa.jpg
https://img.photobucket.com/albums/v232/DJLUX/300tyrebusa.jpg

so want that rear tyre on a gixer with that high arse Twisted Evil
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