mourn the loss?

[batman]

with the new rcv 4 stroke goin whole bucket loads faster than the nsr 500, and the strokers being gradually removed from gp racing, it is likely that pretty much every1 will just throw in the towel on two-strokes eventually
i for one think this sucks, bikes like the nsr and rs are cool and it will be a shame to lose them, what do ya'll think?
oh yeah new rcv has 30 bhp over rossis nsr 500 , 30, it goes like a bollox in the straights to over 200, so i think every1 will be followin the four stroke line sooner rather than later :-<

[Keen]

They're definately on the way out- 2 strokes are banned in America accept for track use! I think its the same in lots of other countries too. Its only a matter of time....

[Danny]

Yep the two strokes definetly drawing two a close, Just hope they go out with a bang 8) :o in the GPs or new road going 500cc four like the RG500 :o :o :o would be nice.
Is the RS250 the last big 2stroke or is there any more in the pipe line.
Surely the 125s will stay & the motorcross bikes will definetly stay.
Just have to make the most of em i suppose, shame

[G]

The 2 strokes are lighter so in theory should be better on twistier circuits. Personally I reckon they should at least allow the 2 strokes a capacity increase as the limits of the tyres will be fairly easily reached before too ridiculous power is made.
As I mentioned elsewhere someone was selling a NS500 for £40k... getting rid of two strokes from racing would hopefully mean they would filter down into the general populace.

btw. AFAIK, though I dont follow MX that relegiously they are going the same way with 4 strokes winning due to a better tourqe curve and thus better traction.

[Milo]

the 2 strokes will always be the more sporty. they're lighter and have that unique smell. but bikes like the NSR will eventually be replaced by 125ccish 4-stroke injected engines.

[Stevo]

Yep itll be a sad day when two strokes are not being made anymore! it might happen eventually, but i think that for small capacity machines and scoots, it will be a while before the two stroke is replaced. As for MX well the bikes like YZ426F's and CRF450's are brilliant, but they cannot viably replace the 125cc class with a 4 stroke as current 125s make 40bhp. A 250cc 4 stroke could not compete with that, so i think that 125's will stay as they are. As for large road going 2 strokes, then yep the RS250 is about the only new bike you can get, but it doesnt mean that the games over. My plan in the next 2-3yrs is to buy an old Honda NS400R or Yam RD500LC, and rebuild one, with a new front and back end, and modern suspension, wheels and brakes, along with some decent bodywork. I really like the idea of doing an RD500 with an R1 front end and wheels, and R1 bodywork. A nicely tuned motor of around 100bhp at the back wheel should give it some go, and a set of chambers with some tiny carbon cans, for that real GP500 scream!

[G]

My pipe dream is to stick a 250/500 2 stroke MX engine in a 125/250 sports chassis... I'll probably never get round to it though.

[Stevo]

Hey G glad that we both think on the same lines,
The 250 or 500cc MX motor in a 125 sports bike is an interesting idea. As far as i know, i think that someone out there somewhere has already done a CR500 powered Cagiva Mito Evo. And something like a CRM250 motor would be nice in an NSR125, as i think the CRM has an autolube, to save pissing about with pre mix.

[batman]

im planning on getting and rs 250 by the end of the year, but they dont import them to ireland so they are nearly impossible to get hold of. i think an rvf is the only option, even though i really want the rs, apparently it has better handlin than any other 4 stroke
form what i read from rossi, the nsr 500 from last year is a fair bit faster in corners, but the rcv hammers it in straights
oh yeah, if any of you can negotiate a jap site go to HRC's homesite
honda rs250 has 90 bhp and weighs like 100 kg! the 125 has 44 bhp and weighs 70 i think, they are really expensive though
they also have nsr500's, the v model with 138 bhp and 120kg, and the 500r with 187bhp and 130kg! the 500r costs like 250,000 euro!

[Scooby]

oh really does it LIKE.....i think you need to brush up on your elocution LIKE.......
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[batman]

scoobysnacks piss off back to flame wars and argue with yourself
fuckin ass monkey
what age are u about 12, come back when u grow up

[batman]

this was a perfectly alright topic and u go and ruin it by actin like a shit
please cop on, why dont u go and harass some people in the my bikes spillin oil, or keith help please threads while your at it

[G]

Unfortunatley I don't reckon a MX engine would fit in my NSR (91 model) as the frame is quite restrictive, I think later models are okay though. Assuming I can't get it fit I was thinking of just buying a frame from a breakers.


btw. Batman, you can get RS125s quite easily for £3-£4k second hand from MCN, not sure about RS250s (don't know about availability in Ireland though)

[Scooby]

lol batman you make me piss, you know fuck all and try and make out you do....why not go to google and find some tuned up nova sites to go visit, cos you're obviously more interested in cars, and siezing aprilias.
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[Stevo]

Cant say for sure mate, but most 125 frames would take a bigger motor with some work. I reckon that a 250cc single should go into an NSR, but then maybe the NSR has a smaller more compact frame than some 125's. I wanted to get an MC21 and fit the NS400 motor, but i was told that it physically would not fit, and looking at the NSR250 frame you can see how tight it is on space. The thing is that other similar bikes have no problem in having bigger motors squeezed in. Its vertually a bolt in conversion to get the Suzuki RGV frame to hold the Square four RG500 motor, and i kinda know a guy who is currently doing this to his RGV.

[G]

The main problem with my frame is that it has got bit of metal dropping down either sides of the engine... I can see this restricting the size of the bottom of the engine (gearbox etc.)... I could cut them off, but in the end it'll probably be easier to get a new frame.

[Kickstart]

Hi

You may be lucky and find that a 250 mx engine will fit. Remember that the 250 may have a larger cc, but it is also built for competition so wieght has been minimised, and it doesnt need to hold a starter motor, large alternator or other stuff (balance shaft?), plus can be built even lighter as it is not going to have to last for 10s of thousands of miles

All the best

Keith

[batman]

ive seen that yeah, never seen the 250 though
also which would you all choose between the rs250 and the rvf
scoobysnacks you were one of the idiots who was arguing that an f1 car could be beaten by a bike
and i know nothing, u stupid moron, get lost u little shit
i posted where u can find out how much of an idiot u and the others are
go there and never speak to me again

[Scooby]

see what i mean....i never said a bike could beat an f1 car.......
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[batman]

so why u come here givin me crap?
i assumed you were form the stpid fights and flame wars thing which im not lookin at coz im sick of idiots arguin when they dont have a breeze
if you arent why u start shit
so leave it, yes?

[craigT19]

batman/scooby chill out!

ne way back to subjest, these new 4 strokers in gp are goin to be the formula 1 cars of the bike world (no expense spared, speed,speed,speed) so hopefully some of that technology should filter down to the road bikes (with any luck) any way i hope 2strokers dont die cos that would be a shame to strokes have come on a long way since the dark ages there now faster more powerfull and much much more reliable so i think it would be a shame to loose um :(
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[batman]

put it to bed and forget about it i think
anyways, its really shit because they took eurosport off irish tv now so we cant watch gp anymore, and f1 is boring as shit
i get fed up watchin ducati's whip every1 in superbikes ;-<
its mad coz only a month or so ago every1 thought the 4 strokes would be slow and now they are faster
should a amke for some crazy high speed crashes :->

[Milo]

Don't worry, they'll always be someone creative ripping an old lawnmower engine out and attaching it to their pushbike...probably me! wanna try that one day
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