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Itchy
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PostPosted: 13:05 - 24 Aug 2006    Post subject: Should we abandon the BMF? Reply with quote
This is the BMF blurb

BMF, British Motorcyclists Federation, Britain's largest rider group. Our job is to protect & promote your interests so no matter what you ride, ...


Thing is the story Sadie put up about auto speed regulation is clearly NOT in our interests , should we all abandon the BMF utterly and totally , and let this government agent infested organisation die ? , (much like the unions are abandoning Labour).
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PostPosted: 13:19 - 24 Aug 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote
No? Rolling Eyes

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PostPosted: 13:25 - 24 Aug 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote
Never have supported the BMF, I always associated them with the Advanced Riding \ BMW tourer sort of people. I always prefered MAG, just seemed to be more my kind of people. They must be better than nothing though.
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PostPosted: 13:41 - 24 Aug 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote
What does the MAG say about satellite speed control devices?.

I've a feeling its going to be like the MCB (muslim council o britain) where lots of people say they don't represent us,

but the same could be said about the government they don't represent me at all ,
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PostPosted: 14:03 - 24 Aug 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote
Itchy wrote:
What does the MAG say about satellite speed control devices?.

I've a feeling its going to be like the MCB (muslim council o britain) where lots of people say they don't represent us,

but the same could be said about the government they don't represent me at all ,


I've just sent MAG an email and a link to the BMF thread.
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PostPosted: 14:03 - 24 Aug 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote
Hi,

No - I dont think they are in favour of the speed control but have tried to offer a reasoned opinion. Just saying no and walking away wont help anyone . Discussion has to take place and that wont happen untill they have some respect for the people they are talking to.

I would have prefered a more negative stance but this is not a single issure and is a future issue. Rather than just dropping your membership how about contacting them with you views or becoming more involved. ?

I am member of BMF and MAG and a few other groups to help move things in our favour.

At the moment MAG do not appear to have anything to say
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PostPosted: 14:19 - 24 Aug 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote
Mrs Kickstart wrote:
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No - I dont think they are in favour of the speed control but have tried to offer a reasoned opinion. Just saying no and walking away wont help anyone . Discussion has to take place and that wont happen untill they have some respect for the people they are talking to.


Thank you, Charlotte!

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PostPosted: 15:14 - 24 Aug 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote
Mrs Kickstart wrote:
...I dont think they are in favour of the speed control but have tried to offer a reasoned opinion. Just saying no and walking away wont help anyone . Discussion has to take place and that wont happen untill they have some respect for the people they are talking to....

Confused confused over this.
Do you mean the BMF aren't in favour of speed control device? If so then certainly from this topic they certainly haven't said they're against it. As I've said the impression I got from the article by Jeff Stone is that the system's ok, not dangerous and will be introduced sometime. Jeff Stone did not condemn the system and only said personally he didn't like it. Which, as a statement from a BMF spokesperson, could be taken as while he doesn't like it personally the BMF as an organisation does.

I agree discussion is always good but who do you mean having respect for? Does the BMF have respect for the politicians it talks to on this? Well the impression I get from the BMF is that they're actually afraid to make waves and say boo to the politicians in case something more draconian is forced upon them. Do you mean the politicians have respect for the BMF? I'd ask if politicians have respect for any lobby group that is against the politicians agendas.

FWIW I believe respect is too strong a word to be used lightly like this. You can have consideration, understanding and even empathy for a person/group and/or their views. However, respect must be earned, it is not a right.

As said, just my views. I don't think I'm alone in them though.

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PostPosted: 16:59 - 24 Aug 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote
Mrs Kickstart wrote:

At the moment MAG do not appear to have anything to say
Regards
Charlotte


https://www.bikechatforums.com/viewtopic.php?t=93028

MAG's unambiguous response.

Not now, not ever is pretty much shorthand for what they wrote.

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PostPosted: 17:06 - 24 Aug 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote
Hi,

I had looked at MAGS website where there is nothing in press releases and nothing recent n the search somehow I missed the tinyurl.

I am not having a go at mag but Marjay prompted them ?

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PostPosted: 17:10 - 24 Aug 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote
The BMF’s position is that while a voluntary speed advisory system might well have its advantages from a rider perspective in helping to avoid inadvertent speeding, intervention, by whatever means, is unacceptable.

Hope this clarifies the issue.
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PostPosted: 17:16 - 24 Aug 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote
I've never got round to joining the BMF or MAG and have had the cynical attitude that one day freedom on the roads for us bikers will be ruined.

So my point is, i abandoned the BMF even before i joined
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PostPosted: 17:18 - 24 Aug 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote
Sadie wrote:
The BMF’s position is that while a voluntary speed advisory system might well have its advantages from a rider perspective in helping to avoid inadvertent speeding, intervention, by whatever means, is unacceptable.

Hope this clarifies the issue.


that statement clarifies it, however, the press release doesn't emphasise the fact that intervention or control of a vehicle outwith that of the rider is unacceptable. There's too much in the article about the possible good points of thre advisory system, and not enough about the bad points of an external control system. I think it's for that reason that many don't see the BMF's stand as being tough enough

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PostPosted: 18:42 - 24 Aug 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote
Mrs Kickstart wrote:
Hi,

I had looked at MAGS website where there is nothing in press releases and nothing recent n the search somehow I missed the tinyurl.

I am not having a go at mag but Marjay prompted them ?

Regards
Charlotte


The guy who emailed me said he sent a press release out yesterday, and there will be a story in next weeks MCN about it. He also said that the web design people don't work full time and haven't yet had a chance to update the site, however in their campaigns site there is a resurrection of an identical campaign from 2001 regarding artificial/automated speed restriction.

Trevor Baird (Director of Public Affairs (MAG UK)) wrote:

Hi Mark



Thanks for your email.



Have just posted a response on the forum to maps questions , what is MAGs stance.



I just put out a press release on the issue yesterday.

Unfortunately our web people lag behind sometimes on getting the issues on the website.

However if you go to the logo on the MAG website this will take you to the Campaigns website. This Logo is being changed so it is much more obvious for the campaigns and issues.

The link is

https://campaign.publicaffairsbriefing.co.uk/home.aspx?cid=bdce7270-76f1-4ac7-baa7-4f63210ed1d4

The top link on the left takes you to the campaign and petition website where you will see that I have redone the Mulhouse Declaration as an electronic petition.

Also on the information page https://www.network.mag-uk.org/EVSC/campaign/index.html is the latest press release and links to my ride on the ISA bike and the past info on EVSC from 2001.

Hopefully this confirms that MAG has your best interests at heart and confirms that we need your support.

MCN have carried MAGs position on their website and there should be a feature in next weeks issue and more importantly the next issue of The Road will feature heavily on EVSC ISA.

Thanks for letting me know about this and your support for MAG as a member.

Cheers

Trevor.B



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----- Original Message -----

From: Mark Johnson

To: central-office@mag-uk.org

Sent: Thursday, August 24, 2006 2:01 PM

Subject: Automatic speed control and bikes.



Hi,



I have been a MAG member for a number of years now, and would like to know the position on automatic speed limiting on motorcycles.

The BMF appear to be very lukewarm on the matter, and I would like to confirm that the organization which I have supported for a while and continue to support has my best interests at heart. I cannot find anything about this subject on your website.

I cannot see that any system which takes away control from the rider ever being a good thing.

A brief response would be fine, or alternatively a response to this thread on a national motorcycle web forum would be OK too.

https://www.bikechatforums.com/viewtopic.php?t=93028

Thanks,

Mark Johnson.

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PostPosted: 18:42 - 24 Aug 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote
Let me get this straight - you can be charged with obstructing justice for warning other drivers of speed traps, which causes them to voluntarily control their speed within the limit, but it's ok for the gummint to wind back your throttle whenever they feel like it regardless of the situation or conditions in which the rider finds themself?

Did IQs in Westminster just drop through the fucking floor, or what?
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more info here
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PostPosted: 22:38 - 24 Aug 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote
Mrs Kickstart wrote:
Hi,

No - I dont think they are in favour of the speed control but have tried to offer a reasoned opinion. Just saying no and walking away wont help anyone . Discussion has to take place and that wont happen untill they have some respect for the people they are talking to.


conversely saying yes (and most probably taking a large bribe) and doing whatever to politicians say deserves no respect either
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PostPosted: 22:41 - 24 Aug 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote
Sadie wrote:
The BMF’s position is that while a voluntary speed advisory system might well have its advantages from a rider perspective in helping to avoid inadvertent speeding, intervention, by whatever means, is unacceptable.

Hope this clarifies the issue.


nope as from the article from a Jeff person , it sounded like he was well up for it , reading it myself , hence if they support it then there is no point in supporting them the BMF.
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