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Marcg868
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PostPosted: 17:37 - 30 Aug 2006    Post subject: Martial Arts Reply with quote

Well as i am currently turning my life round after splitting with my ex, ive decided id like to take up a martial art of some form.

Preferably something that will keep me fit, make me a bit stronger.

My cousin is a Tae Kown Do instructor and says give that ago,

But i was thinking something along the lines of Boxing or Thai Boxing etc.

What do people reccommend, and any good schools around Greater Manchester area.
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PostPosted: 17:42 - 30 Aug 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

Brazilain Jiu Jitsu is an excellent martial art for developing strength and is very effective as grappling is largely unknown by others. As a sport its non impact so its safe and easy to train in but be under no illusion that it isn't lethal. The locks and chokes break bones and KO people if used with intent.

Kickboxing often has a high emphasis on fitness, depending on the school you go to. I do this and fitness is a must.

Boxing is also very fitness based and very effective on the street.
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PostPosted: 17:55 - 30 Aug 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well yeah, im looking for something to keep my fit and build my strengh, and also be able to defend myself, when i kicks off in the pub.
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PostPosted: 18:00 - 30 Aug 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

I did TKD for 12 years, with my dad and sister (he was AMA champion 6 years in a row)

You could try kickboxing although most sports bar boxing are quite "non contact"

Boxing would be good but you are quite late to start so will get quite battered at first if you are training with decent people. Would be fun though.
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PostPosted: 18:09 - 30 Aug 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thats not entirely fair to say you'll get batterred. Boxing, like any other sport has to cater for all comers. If you don't wawnt to fight you won't have too. But if you do then you stand a high chance of a few good thumps Thumbs Up

Kickboxing is full contact. There are 3 types of fighting in competitions....points, semi contact and full. Points is about getting a strike into your oppoent. It looks gay but once you get to the professional level then the strikes are incredibly hard. My mate has broken many opponents jaws and ribs whilst getting a point in.

Semi contact is like free flow fighting, but your just trying to strike your opponent and dominate the fight. Power and force is not the empasis and you can get deducted for being to rough...however I've known people to get knocked out and lose even though the knock out is technically wrong since it shows lack of control.

Full contact is just that. numerous rounds of various times. both fighters have to throw at least three kicks but other than that kO or points wins. Very rough and the fighters often look like they've never set foot inside a kickboxing gym as if looks like a brawl.
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PostPosted: 18:09 - 30 Aug 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ah dont worry can take a beating. Been stabbed, kicked in the head, bottled. Sure i can cope Laughing And then perhaps learn how to give a beating back instead of it being the usual head butt.
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PostPosted: 18:59 - 30 Aug 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

I did TKD for a couple of years, couldn't get into it, for me it seemed more like a test of memory than teaching anything that could be useful in a 'real' situation.

A few years later I did Thai Boxing on and off for about 3 years. Great fun, much less memory intensive (which is good as my memory is shot) and much more fitness orientated.

Personally, the complex martial arts (TKD, Judo etc...) hold no interest other than what you see in films. Something alot more simple thats more physically demanding just seems to make more sense.

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PostPosted: 19:04 - 30 Aug 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

I agree. Being taught a handful of moves and repitive practise of them is far more effective than learning hundreds of dead techniques Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 19:05 - 30 Aug 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

Depends really, ninjitsu (well the fighting aspect) is perfect if you want to WIN at a fight, full of dirty sneeky tricks.. some kungfu is good for this too, but wont get you fit nearly as fit as something like tkd or kickboxing.. Wing chun is also designed for close quater combat with crappy footings e.t.c.

TKD does vary from one federation to the next, in good and bad ways, some blackbelts were pretty useless in some clubs i'd seen tbh, i'd imagine this is the same elsewhere..

Lots to choose from, find out what nearby (phoneing the closest martial arts supply shop is the best bet for that)
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PostPosted: 19:08 - 30 Aug 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

craigie b wrote:
I agree. Being taught a handful of moves and repitive practise of them is far more effective than learning hundreds of dead techniques Thumbs Up


Up untill many martial arts were "westernised" there was no such thing as useing combinations, a fight would involve 2/3 moves at the most, and one person would end up with something broken/missing at the end.

Theres allot of bs to modern interpritations now unfortunately Sad
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PostPosted: 19:08 - 30 Aug 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

Could look at MAT (martial art trickz)

I was looking at it but not many clubs about. Used to do quite a lot of gym and wasn't too bad in the air, would be cool to try, although insanely hard. Like a form of breakdancing.
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PostPosted: 19:45 - 30 Aug 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well theres loads of Boxing clubs roud the Manchester/Bolton area. And the main one that stands out is Thai boxing with Sandy Holt round here. So their the main two that im interested in.
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PostPosted: 19:51 - 30 Aug 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

Wing Chun , or Hakka southern Mantis , very ugly to watch used in fights very effective, I took up Wing Chun last year but quit due to moving , uses 99.9% hands which is good cus my legs are awful short.
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PostPosted: 20:38 - 30 Aug 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

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ninjitsu (well the fighting aspect) is perfect if you want to WIN at a fight, full of dirty sneeky tricks


Oh how I laughed Laughing Laughing Laughing


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Up untill many martial arts were "westernised" there was no such thing as useing combinations, a fight would involve 2/3 moves at the most, and one person would end up with something broken/missing at the end.


Most fights end in 2-3 moves. A bare fisted punch should knock most people out, but to state there was no combinations is ridiculous.

The book of five rings talks of combination attack (its was written by a samurai in 1645), never mind the fact that every martial art utilises combinations to deliver the final strike.

I agree that there is BS in modern interpretation as they get watered down to the level of hobby as oppossed to a means to protect and kill.

I'm dubious of nearly all forms of Kung Fu as their street value in the short term is negligible. You would need constant hardcore training for a good couple of years to become proficient enough to use wing chun for example and most teachers couldnot defend themselves against a real fighter. A good example was when some chinese WC experts visited Thailand to challenge the fighters there. Not a single thai lost as they are used to getting struck and used to fighting with real aggression.
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PostPosted: 20:56 - 30 Aug 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

I like the idea of Thai Boxing because they have bloody strong legs, 1 kick to a 'normal' persons leg would probably send him to the ground, pretty handy in a fight.

Always wanted to do boxing, i might start.
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PostPosted: 21:32 - 30 Aug 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

A few ways to make a kick devastating.....

Thai/JKD/Krava type attacks where the kicks are aimed low. Side kick to the knee cap willcollapse/break a leg.

Front kick to the shin is quick, easy and often unexpected line of attack (in the street). Combined with the right shoes and its a screamer.

Other than that, lots of practise and stretches at high kicks. My instructor can kick as fast as he punches at any high. There used to be a bouncer in liverpool who would keep a black book of people he'd knocked out using high kicks (in the street that is).

Personally I preffer option A and B as I lack flexibility but have strong legs.
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PostPosted: 21:44 - 30 Aug 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

This is a JKD forum I post on, but I can't link to it as you need to be a member to view it! Very interesting.

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Martial Artists' Moves Revealed in "Fight Science" Lab
Yancey Hall
for National Geographic News
August 14, 2006
They can crush a stack of concrete slabs with a bare fist, walk with catlike balance on a bamboo pole, and generate deadly kicks and punches at lightning-fast speeds.

Real-life martial artists have long defied what many people would think is humanly possible, and their seemingly superpowered abilities have inspired generations of movies and television shows.

For the upcoming television special, Fight Science, researchers used high-tech equipment to put real martial artists to the test. The feature will air on August 20 on the National Geographic Channel.

(National Geographic News is a division of the National Geographic Society, which is part owner of the National Geographic Channel.)

The action took place inside a specially designed film studio that is part laboratory and part dojo, a school for training in the various arts of self-defense.

Here world champion martial artists from diverse disciplines were pitted against a customized crash-test dummy outfitted with impact sensors.

The sensors—along with infrared, high-speed, and high-definition motion-capture cameras—allowed scientists to measure and map the speed, force, range, and impact of the fighter's techniques.

The result is an unprecedented look at how martial artists generate the power and speed behind each move.

Inside the Dojo

Randy Kelly, vice president of sales and business development for Robert A. Denton, Inc., knows a thing or two about crash-test dummies.

His company is one of the world's largest suppliers of sophisticated force-measurement devices for vehicle safety tests.

Kelly was in charge of conducting tests at the Fight Science studio and supplied the project with a $150,000 (U.S.) government-certified crash-test dummy.

"The dummy used for the experiment was one typically used in the automotive industry," Kelly said.
These so-called load-cell sensors were placed in strategic areas on the dummy, such as the upper neck, lower neck, chest, and knee.

Another device called a potentiometer was placed in the dummy's chest to measure displacement caused by a frontal strike.

The fighters themselves were fitted with reflective markers and sensors in their shoes that allowed scientists to track and create computer animations of how the body generates each attack.

More Powerful Than a Sledgehammer

In one experiment, experts in karate, boxing, kung fu, and tae kwon do all took turns striking the dummy in the face.

The researchers were surprised to find that boxing is the fighting style capable of delivering the most force in a single punch.

Boxer Steve Petramale delivered about 1,000 pounds (453.6 kilograms) of impact force, the equivalent of swinging a sledgehammer into someone's face.

His punch, the sensors revealed, starts in the feet and travels up the legs through the hips to the chest and shoulders, multiplying in force as it travels up the body.

(See photo stills and computer images of the fighters from Fight Science.)

Strong as a Car Crash

But martial artists are perhaps best known for being able to deliver devastating kicks.

To test this power, Kelly had the participants use their unique styles to land kicks on the dummy's chest.

The tae kwon do spinning back kick delivered more than 1,500 pounds (680.4 kilograms) of force, while the kung fu flying double kick produced about 1,000 pounds (453.6 kilograms) of force.

But the undisputed winner practices a discipline known for its ability to deliver a knockout: Muay Thai, also known as Thai boxing.

(Related news: "Thai 'Ladyboy' Kickboxer Is Gender-Bending Knockout" [March 2004].)

Melchor Menor, a former two-time Muay Thai world champion, uses a simple technique to incapacitate his opponents: a knee to the chest at close quarters.

Menor himself was surprised at how powerful this move can be.

"I wasn't expecting to have the highest force. When he said the power of the knee [kick] was equal to the power of a 35-mile-an-hour [56.3-kilometer-an-hour] car crash, it was humbling."

The displacement sensor in the dummy's chest measured nearly two inches (five centimeters) of chest compression from Menor's knee strike.

Like the boxer's punch, the energy from this kick starts from the feet and moves up to the knee. The blow is delivered to the soft tissue below the rib cage while Menor holds his opponent's head stationary.

The ribs are driven backward through the lungs and solar plexus, a cluster of nerve cells behind the human stomach that controls some organ functions.

Truly a death blow, Menor's knee kick can cause internal bleeding and even cardiac arrest.

Faster Than a Snake

According to an old legend, martial artists should strike with the speed of a snake.

But at an average of eight to ten feet (two-and-a-half to three meters) a second, a snake strike would seem beyond the reach of even the fastest fighter.

As it turns out, a kung fu punch can give even the fastest snake a run for its money (related: see videos, photos, and news articles about the real-life abilities of snakes).

Alex Huynh is a three-time gold medalist in wushu, a style of kung fu. He's also made in his mark in Hollywood as a stunt double in movies like Pirates of the Caribbean.

For the experiment Huynh's strikes were measured by an instrument called an accelerometer.

The results of the test showed an astonishing speed of more than 40 feet (12.2 meters) a second.

"We martial artists knew we had the ability to hit hard and fast, but I never thought I could hit four times faster than a snake," Huynh said.

Huynh is also quick to point out that no one style is best.

"As the show demonstrates, each individual school has strengths," he said. "The goal is to find one that is the best for you."

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