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Louise
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PostPosted: 16:13 - 30 Aug 2006    Post subject: What are the laws? Reply with quote

Ive tryed to look on the net but cant find anything.
Basically if you buy a vehicle and it dosnt have any MOT or Tax can you still ride it home (with proof you have just paid for it)
Also, I know you cant get tax without showing insurance documents, If I got an MOT on a vehichle and insure myself there and then, how can I tell the postoffice im insured without the documents (as it takes X ammount of days to arrive by post)
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T1z3R
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PostPosted: 16:16 - 30 Aug 2006    Post subject: Re: What are the laws? Reply with quote

Louise wrote:
Basically if you buy a vehicle and it dosnt have any MOT or Tax can you still ride it home (with proof you have just paid for it)


no.

Louise wrote:
If I got an MOT on a vehichle and insure myself there and then, how can I tell the postoffice im insured without the documents (as it takes X ammount of days to arrive by post)


you can't until you have the cover note.
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PostPosted: 16:17 - 30 Aug 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

As far as I know they (garages at least) cant sell a vehicle and let you drive/ride it off without Tax, MOT and insurance.

The only time you can have it on the road without these is it to take it to a pre-booked MOT apointment.
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PostPosted: 16:25 - 30 Aug 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

Jaz wrote:
The only time you can have it on the road without these is it to take it to a pre-booked MOT apointment.


but you still have to be insured & taxed.
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PostPosted: 16:34 - 30 Aug 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

T1z3R wrote:
but you still have to be insured & taxed.


Yep, still need insureance and tax, yes its bizzare but its intended so if your bike/car fails its mot you can get it to the next mot test and thats it.

Dunno if you are or not but if your considering buying a tax and motless bike then it should be VERY cheap if theres nothing wrong with it then allarm bells shoudl be ringing (because not mot knocks off hundreds at a time), just in case Wink
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Mr.Everready
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PostPosted: 16:40 - 30 Aug 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

When I bought my bike it had no tax. It was less than 3 years old so didn't need an MOT. It was obviously insured.
I bought it on a Saturday afternoon so there was no way of getting tax until the Monday so I just risked it hoping that if I was stopped then I'd give them the sob story and they'd let me go on my way.

It would depend on how far I'd need to travel if it had no MOT either.
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PostPosted: 16:50 - 30 Aug 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

Any vehicle on the road needs to be Taxed, if you have just purchased it you must also Tax it or its your risk riding/driving it home.

However you can take it to a MOT station without Tax (as you need a current MOT to get the Tax) but it must be a pre booked MOT and you must go straight there and straight back.

All times you must have the minimum legaly allowed insurance cover, with no exceptions.
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Louise
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PostPosted: 16:57 - 30 Aug 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yea the bike seems good. And I know people have advised me not to buy a bike without MOT.
The current owner has changed some stuff and has said if shouldnt be a problem with the mot (I know he could just be saying that)
I just have limited funds, If I got the bike I would book an MOT near the owner anyway.
Its just the whole tax thing.
I will figure something out.
By the way, its from London to Portsmouth.
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mr.z
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PostPosted: 17:04 - 30 Aug 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

Louise wrote:
Yea the bike seems good. And I know people have advised me not to buy a bike without MOT.
The current owner has changed some stuff and has said if shouldnt be a problem with the mot (I know he could just be saying that)


The question you have to ask is if its not a problem with the mot then why didn't they get one? offer them the cost of the mot + £20 or so for their trouble.

Rotten frame? knackered bearings? warped brakes? bent frame?

+ HPI check, it could be on finance, it could be stolen, it may have been written off..

Not trying to be an arse but ive seen and hered of many similar situations that didn't have a happy ending.
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PostPosted: 17:06 - 30 Aug 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

Jaz wrote:
As far as I know they (garages at least) cant sell a vehicle and let you drive/ride it off without Tax, MOT and insurance.

The only time you can have it on the road without these is it to take it to a pre-booked MOT apointment.


This has come up before. I've never been asked to show any docs when buying cars or bikes from garages. As far as I know they only have a duty to check them if you're buying the bike on finance, and thats a requirment of the finance company not the law.
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PostPosted: 17:06 - 30 Aug 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

can you not get the person that is selling it to tax and mot it for you ? and then give him the cost of this on top of his asking price.

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Louise
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PostPosted: 17:09 - 30 Aug 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

I did a HPI check and its come back clean.
I asked him to do the MOT and Tax and I would pay on top.
But he is selling as he is on holiday tommorow/friday - he was selling alot of stuff there - His feedback is good and seem geniun.
Its just a bugger but ahem.
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PostPosted: 17:11 - 30 Aug 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

judgein by the bids/question he has a lot of intrest, so knowing my luck I wont be able to win it!
Spose its back to saving in my piggy bank if this dont go through. Thumbs Down
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T1z3R
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PostPosted: 17:13 - 30 Aug 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

Louise wrote:
judgein by the bids/question he has a lot of intrest, so knowing my luck I wont be able to win it!
Spose its back to saving in my piggy bank if this dont go through. Thumbs Down


theres lots of bikes out there so i wouldnt be too worried if you miss out. you'll have less hassle if you buy a bike thats already MOT'd and taxed in the long run Thumbs Up
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mr.z
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PostPosted: 17:17 - 30 Aug 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

Its comeing to the end of the "bikeing season" so there will be allot of people wanting to get rid of their summer toy so dont worry about it too much..

Maybe start a "what bike should i get" thread? maybe find something you'd not though of..

Good luck Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 17:19 - 30 Aug 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

To drive it home you need MOT, insurance and tax..

To drive to a pre arranged MOT you only need insurance.

Hope this helps
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Louise
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PostPosted: 17:19 - 30 Aug 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have thought about what bike id like. But, I only really like the sporty models.
Ive had endless arguments with Kat over sporty bikes so I just want to get one to prove I can handle it and not go and kill myself!
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Louise
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PostPosted: 17:22 - 30 Aug 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

Best way if I won it I would, get insured tommorow. wait for the docs to come through then book an mot. He can wait a few days if he wants the cash.
Sick of men not doing what there told Wink
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PostPosted: 19:09 - 30 Aug 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

I had this problem with my self.I had been ill after an operation and if any one can correct me and my insurance company when it came to MOT'ing the bike (it still had tax on it) I phoned the insurance company and thought I'd ask,seeing as most people are made to believe the fore mentioned above and funny enough even with a pre arranged appointment my insurance company said you ride it you are not covered.they said that arrangement went out with the flintstones so I said bugger it and still rode it there to the MOT station.I did ask them how on earth I was suppose to get my bike over there and they said "know anyone with a trailer" but that is what my insurance company said as you are only insured to ride a vehicle with a valid tax and MOT cert.
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