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PostPosted: 21:17 - 31 Aug 2006    Post subject: Push Bikes Reply with quote

They are becoming a menace on the road.

Is it normal now for pedal cyclists to ignore traffic law?
I do not have any issue with folks using bikes on the road but they are required to behave and follow the highway code.
How common is it now for cyclists to push through a junction when the lights are at red?
We even give them a big 'Priority Box' at the front on some roads.

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PostPosted: 21:26 - 31 Aug 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

favorite cyclist move is: cyclist at side of road cycling away, cyclist sticks arm out while swearving ito the middle without doing a lifesaver and giving the bike rider/car driver a heart attack. Also being styuck behind a cyclist who wont let anyone pass at 11mph is irrating.

They dont stop at lights at all from what i see here.

They have a cycle lane on the dual carriage way but they cycle outside it Question Shocked
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PostPosted: 21:29 - 31 Aug 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

i detest two abreast tactics, can't they go single file for 10 seconds to allow queueing traffic to pass, if it's a safety thing stfu and stop going on dodgy backroads riding in the middle of the road doing 10mph, worse than tractors, atleast they serve a purpose.
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PostPosted: 22:21 - 31 Aug 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

personaly i jump red lights and ride on the pavement, anything so i dont have to stop and get my speed up again. But i cant stand people who ride 2abreast down the road, cut people up or just get in the way of other people. I always do my best to stay away from the traffic as u never know wot the stupid people in cars are gonna do.
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PostPosted: 22:30 - 31 Aug 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

If you jump red lights you are not only breaking the law, you are acting like a twat.

Believe it or not, riding a bicycle does not make you immune to being hit by a car, nor does it stop you causing an obstruction. Everyone else has to wait their turn, so do you.
I have no real issue with cyclists popping onto the pavement to avoid obstructions or traffic, but shooting red lights is a big no-no.

If you are so unfit that 'getting your speed back up' is such an issue, then you SHOULD be stopping and starting on a regular basis, it's good for you!
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PostPosted: 22:38 - 31 Aug 2006    Post subject: Re: Push Bikes Reply with quote

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Is it normal now for motor cyclists to ignore traffic law?
I do not have any issue with folks using bikes on the road but they are required to behave and follow the highway code.
How common is it now for motor cyclists to push past the white line at a junction when the lights are at red?


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PostPosted: 22:47 - 31 Aug 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

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push through a junction when the lights are at red

I hear you can get 3 points on your licence for doing this.
I use my cycle but I dont act like a twat - My bike cost alot, and I dont want one scratch or bent frame from someone hitting me.
I see loads and yes they do piss me off.
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PostPosted: 00:51 - 01 Sep 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

dragonfly wrote:
They have a cycle lane on the dual carriage way but they cycle outside it Question Shocked


Some cycle lanes are poorly designed or sign posted, so that it can be faster/more convenient to use the road. Probably what's happening there.
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PostPosted: 01:27 - 01 Sep 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

maurice wrote:
dragonfly wrote:
They have a cycle lane on the dual carriage way but they cycle outside it Question Shocked


Some cycle lanes are poorly designed or sign posted, so that it can be faster/more convenient to use the road. Probably what's happening there.


There's nothing wrong with it. Their own lane with little white bikes painted on it only a few feet to the left of where they cycle.

A large group caused a few cars to slow down to about their speed on the carriageway and forced them to wait until the overtaking lane was clear to get round them instead of moving over a little. Dangerous and inconsiderate. Thumbs Down
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PostPosted: 01:29 - 01 Sep 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

Fair enough, they're just cunts then.
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PostPosted: 08:28 - 01 Sep 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

maurice wrote:
dragonfly wrote:
They have a cycle lane on the dual carriage way but they cycle outside it Question Shocked


Some cycle lanes are poorly designed or sign posted, so that it can be faster/more convenient to use the road. Probably what's happening there.


There painted here bright orange with little bycle painted on them every few feet. soND are you talking about the same dual carriageway i am?

I have also seen one inthe cycle and the other wa on the dual carriageway and they where cycling together? why not use both lanes of the cycle lane?

More money the council wasted once again.
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PostPosted: 09:15 - 01 Sep 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think the most annoying one is when there is a cyclist cycling in the middle of the road (even when the side of the road is totally clear for them). This makes it impossible for anyone to pass.

The other day, there was a guy doing just this. He wouldn't even move over to allow cars to pass. What the hell is his problem?


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PostPosted: 09:16 - 01 Sep 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

As someone who cycles at times here's my comments.
People who ride through a red light, are twats. No excuse. I always look at a red light as a 'rest break'. As Mr J says, it's good for you.
Cycle lanes are mostly utter shite. I love to use them wherever possible, but a lot are badly designed, many are covered in pot holes, and too many are covered in broken glass etc.
Cycling 2 abreast, is ALLOWED by law, but they MUST NOT do so if it holds up traffic. That seems a little point that many cyclists don't seem to understand.
The main problem with a push bike is, anyone & their mother can just get on one and ride it. This has both good and bad points. It's good in that it provides very cheap transport, and provides good excercise. It's bad in that it means that too many cyclists are twats who seem to lack both common sense and good road manners.
When I was cycling to work on a regular basis a few years ago, I lost count of the idiots who ran red lights and had no lights at night.
Before anyone starts on the old "They should pay road tax etc" argument, one has to remember that vehicles pay road tax because they have an engine. One cannot pay a tax on one's own 'human power'. In fact, I believe that electric vehicles below a certain weight don't pay road tax, although I stand to be corrected on that.
One has to weigh up the situation as a whole though. For every idiotic cyclist one comes across, how many idiotic drivers do you see? Bloody hundreds.
The REAL problem, of country roads in particular, especially at weekends, are the horse boxes. The pricks who drive these things, always have a traffic tailback behind them, and yet how many times have you seen one pull over to let the traffic pass? Never! Yet there is a law that says, slow vehicles should do just that. That includes tractors etc.
As a biker, I have VERY rarely been held up by a cyclist or group of cyclists, but I'm forever getting stuck behind a fucking horse box on a winding road.
Horse riders too, cause huge hold ups. Why ride these dangerous unpredictable beasts on the tarmac FFS?
Fuck off onto the bridle paths. These shit machines are also allowed to leave huge piles of steaming horse shit all over the road, which can be a huge hazard to two wheelers, and is bloody unhygenic. It's fucking disgusting!
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PostPosted: 09:21 - 01 Sep 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nice discription Tokerev Thumbs Up very true!

How come a horse can shit in the middle of the road and the riders dont clear it up but if your dog does you get a fine? if there a differant rule for horse riders? There are alot down my way and i have to dodge shit piles very often.
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PostPosted: 09:59 - 01 Sep 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

I 'jump' red lights if I know the sequence. This assumes that there arent any paedestrians either. It get's me across the junction without having to place myself in more danger than I already do. Laughing

Normally when I 'jump' a red light I know the light's are going to go green anyway.

I beleive in America they run a system where turning right is allowed if the way is clear, even if there is a red light. My system is similar to that.

Those 'priority boxes' are stupid, even I sit in them on my motorbike.
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PostPosted: 13:03 - 01 Sep 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I beleive in America they run a system where turning right is allowed if the way is clear

Yes it is true. But we didnt know untill we were into our 2nd week Embarassed
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PostPosted: 13:18 - 01 Sep 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

dragonfly wrote:
Nice discription Tokerev Thumbs Up very true!

How come a horse can shit in the middle of the road and the riders dont clear it up but if your dog does you get a fine? if there a differant rule for horse riders? There are alot down my way and i have to dodge shit piles very often.


same thing with tractors aswell, I almost binned my bike on a pile of mud that a tractor had very kindly left mid corner, same with horse crap it is annoying as hell and dangerous. (i personally dont like horses on the road full stop)

I hate it when you get cyclists that insist on riding two abrest, right next to a cycle lane where they could, if you wanna ride side by side ride on the pavement.

maybe they should have a cyclist cbt?
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PostPosted: 13:24 - 01 Sep 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

I cycle a lot and its amazing the diffent ways different people at on a bike.

Around me most people are very good. and there is not much red light jumping.
However go to london and its a game of chicken... never have i been so scared in my life!! they don't even slow down at red lights.. let alone stop. (for that matter nither dose it seem do most of the cars!)

AS for ridding two abreast, this is actualy allowed by law. how ever its not something i do while being followed by traffice!

But i know people who have picked up points on the licence both for jumping red lights, cycling while drunk, and ridding on the pavement!!
only thing i havent seen is points for speeding Wink
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PostPosted: 13:32 - 01 Sep 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

Cyclists are ok. Face facts, there are millions of twats on the road....cyclists probably just stick to mind due to them being so different to cars.

And I think discretion needs to be used when applying road laws to cyclists. Busy as hell roads do require upmost care from a cyclist but in quiet towns and roads I think vigoursly enforcing road laws in pointless. The fact a bike can change from road to pavement etc is what makes it fun and conveniant.
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PostPosted: 13:39 - 01 Sep 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

I just wish they would be alot more safer as it aggravates me to see them not doing life savers and expecting traffic to stop while they blindly come on to the road and ignore the law.

For their own safety it would be good for them to learn a few things as they are as vunerable as motorcyclists.
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PostPosted: 14:26 - 01 Sep 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

dragonfly wrote:
I just wish they would be alot more safer as it aggravates me to see them not doing life savers and expecting traffic to stop while they blindly come on to the road and ignore the law.

For their own safety it would be good for them to learn a few things as they are as vunerable as motorcyclists.

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PostPosted: 14:41 - 01 Sep 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

It is against the law and extremely ill-mannered to ride a bike on the pavement. (unless you have multi-coloured streamers coming out the bar ends)
Cyclists only need to comply with most basic traffic law.
I use a push bike and always wait on red as I do when in car motorbike or a 100t low bed.
I dismount if I need to use the pavement. Angelic

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PostPosted: 14:56 - 01 Sep 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I beleive in America they run a system where turning right is allowed if the way is clear, even if there is a red light. My system is similar to that.


As it stands that is the only time I break a red light on a push bike as your not causeing any trouble since your flowing with the traffic, but I'd go left rather than right Laughing
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PostPosted: 16:40 - 01 Sep 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

I haven't ridden a bike regularly on the road for many years. When I did I didn't believe in sticking to the rules of the road 'cycling proficiency' style as a strategy for riding, it does no one any good.
I would hop up curbs specifically to get out of the way of cars instead of going round a parked car on the road.
If the way was clear I would go around traffic lights instead of waiting in front of a queue of cars. Basically I was actively trying to avoid traffic at all costs instead of being a sitting duck trundling along at the side of the road. On a motorbike you can ride defensively, hold your position in your lane and take action to avoid cars.
On a push bike you are even more reliant on cars avoiding you.

All horses should be made into a nice casserole.
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PostPosted: 19:23 - 01 Sep 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

akaDAVE wrote:
All horses should be made into a nice casserole.


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