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Young kids do not have the nessery skills to make a discusion such as..
Holding my hand this close hurts... so touching it will hurt more...
For them to develope this they must first experince pain. and although that sounds a horride thisng it is true.
humans have very inquisitive minds, and as a child this is never more so. they wish to experince every thing. and as they dont have the knowlage that a adult has. they do not understand the full meaning of being told it will burn them.
They have the same resoning as many animals and that is no forsite in to the consequences of there actions. For them to develope this most critical abbility they have to experince the consequences of there actions. (both good and bad.)
Now a good parent will let a child explore, even to the point of hurting them selves (for example when a child learns to walk you know they may fall over, but that falling is all in the process of learning)
However in some cases the consequences of there actions are going to be sever... Walking out in to a road, touching hot stoves etc etc.
In these cases a slap, while teaching the child that the consequences of its actions will case a reaction that they are unlickly to wish to repeat. they are no wear near as sever of the consequences if the child was left to carry on.
Also by learning that the consequences are sever for that action they are also unlickly to repeat it when the adults back is turned.
As children grow older, 7,8 years old, the smacking no longer will be effective. by this time a child has lernt about the consequences of actions and can dissicoated the punishment they recive from the true consequences of the action.
So where as in some cases a slap on the hand may well be a good way to insure a child dose not do any thing dangrous. I belive the punishment/deterent should never exceed the actualy consequence of the action.
So i do not agree with smacking a child becasue they are crying about wanting sweets, or going to bed.
but i do agree that in some cases it can be used for good..
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| Quote: | That is a load of crap! Kids who are used to getting slapped dont think anything of it, I used to get slapped all round the house, but it didnt do anything to stop me being rebellious. I made that decision later on myself. |
The proof is in the pudding.....The do gooder brigade has had its day and disciplining children is now all but banned and look at the net result....undisciplined schools, teacher assualts, children with little or no respect for any authority at all.
| Quote: | now the kid knows that if they keep pushing the limits, the parent will give in,
smacking a child for doing something wrong? now theres a good one, If you do something that i dissagree with should i come round and slap you? I dont think so. the child will only think that its perfectly acceptable to hit someone who wont do as there told, like lend them a pen.... |
See above
The problem is western society is becoming fat and lazy and expects a perfect life on demand. Life can be tough but parents would rather spoil their kids and protect them from the harsh realities of life by sanitising the kids entire fucking existance.
To be honest, if a smacked arse is the worst that can happen to you in this world then you should consider yourself fucking lucky. As it stands 'positive parenting' is just more bull shit PC control measures to help up bring up a future generation of fat spoilt wee brats who have no concept of how to live life or how to prepare for it.
The people who talk of don't discipline the children with a smack are probably the same tits who try to ban school sports that encourage competition and team work because learning lessons such as losing and winning are negative to their childrens pyche (rather than simply being a fucking honest lesson). Or the parent who complain that teachers shouldn't mark in red becauase it upsets children who are fucking stupid. Or run them ten meters to school incase their delicate little flowers get killed on our lethal roads.
Yet, in general, these are the very same parents who will happily raise a kid on a diet of macdonalds, chips, gallons of lard and chocloate and E numbers and computer games and no exercise. So smacking is bad but raising a heart attack is good...WTF?
| Quote: | There is no justification for hitting kids....it only reinforces it as acceptable and the chances of them doing it to their own are increased, not to mention other folk. |
By your own definition you should be out there beating crap out of your kid and everyone elses....but your not. So it didn't have a negative effect on you. |
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| Posted: 16:39 - 05 Sep 2006 Post subject: |
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| craigie b wrote: |
The proof is in the pudding.....The do gooder brigade has had its day and disciplining children is now all but banned and look at the net result....undisciplined schools, teacher assualts, children with little or no respect for any authority at all.
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Quite right, there is a distinct difference between being "slapped around" and smacked when you misbehave. In the 50's (or so my grandad was telling me  ) If you were being a shit and the police saw, instead of being powerless they'd hit you, as would your parents. I think the difference is those kids were still loved, a lot of kids nowadays might not get hit, but arent really cared for. They get chcuked out of the house given some money and told to entertain themselves, which given that (at least everywhere round here) the authorities have done their best to prevent people from legally doing a lot of stuff, (closed youth and social clubs, sports facilities and the like) what they do is sit in a bus shelter, spend the money on cider, and throw things at passing cars. Most chav-ism is due to a lack of parental care and boredom.
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| Posted: 16:55 - 05 Sep 2006 Post subject: |
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FWIW I'm a believer in the Gibbs-slap.
Mind, the kids do watch NCIS so get the meaning 
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| Posted: 14:04 - 07 Sep 2006 Post subject: |
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so a "course"  on phycology outweighs years of real experience
yeah O.K you must be right keep taking the tablets andj ust follow the little yellow bunny back to sanity
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You have stated that you only hit you kids when you lose your temper!
To me that sounds like they don't alwasy act in the manor you ask of them. and don't always listen to the things you tell them.
Other wise why would you need to lose your temper if they did as they were told???
On the other hand my parnets never once hit me in anger or becasue they lost there temper. and in the whole of my child hood as i recall i was only hit about 5 times in total.
And like i say i was never hit by my parents becasue they "Lost it"
Oh and my course was the first 2 years of a degree.
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| stinkwheel wrote: | Just a little thought exercise.
Toddler in the same room as say a woodburning stove. Now the kid is old enough to understand what you tell them and persistantly makes a beeline for the woodburning stove.
You can take one of the following courses of action:
1) Repeat "Don't touch that dear, it's hot." every time the kid goes near it.
2) Put a guard round the stove.
3) Tell the child it is good and give it a sticker every time it doesn't try to touch the stove.
4) Move the child away every time it goes near the stove.
5) Tell the child "Don't touch that, it's hot". When it ignores you the first time tell it "Don't touch that, it's hot. If you do that again, you'll get a smack.". When it ignores you the third time, give it a smack.
6) Let it learn the hard way then a quick trip to A+E for a bandage.
To me, there are only two of those courses of action that will teach the child that it shouldn't touch woodburning stoves and only one that will avoid it burning its fingers when left in a room with one at some point in the future. |
Or Option 7) Grab child's wrist and hold it's hand against the stove. From then on, a simple "Do we need a trip to Mr Stove?" will suffice for any other situation.
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