Idiot kills his daughter

Mister James · I want to believe! Joined: 10 Aug 2004 Karma :

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2006/08/09/nbiker09.xml

Dragonfly · Super Spammer Joined: 05 Sep 2005 Karma :

omg thats terrible. he willhave thaton his head forever, silly fool driving like that with his daughter on the back. i know to many like that around here. its sad though Crying or Very sad

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Jackyboy · Scooby Slapper Joined: 24 Jul 2006 Karma :

what a twat. turning at a junction at 80 is stupid just to try to impress yourself and your daughter. *shakes head*
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FreshAL · Sir Crashalot Joined: 04 Jul 2005 Karma :

I think he's already suffering the worst punishment possible.

He's gotta live with that for the rest of his life. We've all had a moment of 'red-mist'. Alright, he was pretty stupid, but how do you go on living life after something like that?

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owdamer · World Chat Champion Joined: 06 Oct 2004 Karma :

As far as I can see he just rode his bike like a hell of a lot of other bikers do. Can everyone on here who rides their bikes over the speed limit say that they have never passed a road junction while speeding? If you read the report it says that he reached speeds of upto 80mph in the 40 zone, it doesn't say he went through the junction at that speed. The accident occured when a car pulled out in front of him. Sounds to me like a case of "sorry mate I didn't see you, so you must have been speeding".
The poor bastard is going to have to live with this forever, but is this all his fault??

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lo_iq2000 · Two Stroke Sniffer Joined: 01 Aug 2006 Karma :

Honest this is scarry stuff. My 10yr old is striving to stay in the good books for two weeks straight so he can go to his granddads on the back of my TDM.....chance of a 14 day goody goody 10yr old is slim but he is trying. I'm not a speed chaser by any means but the thought...... I think that he will want to get on a bike just like his dad but is the worth the risk
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stevo as b4 · World Chat Champion Joined: 17 Jul 2003 Karma :

Ive got no sympathy whatsoever! The bloke is a piece of shit, for killing his own daughter by riding in such a stupid irresponsible way. FFS! if you were carrying your child as a pillion on your bike, you should ride well, and carefully, keeping within speed limits and taking no greater than neccasary risks, as the consequence's of your actions could kill, injure or disable your own kid, and that is a risk that i don't think any normal human being would be stupid enough to take. Mad

The guy who was speeding as he overtook was being irresponsible, but if he was not carrying a passenger, then he is responsible for just his own safety, and as such if he wants to be a loon, then the second guy should have just let him go, and that is that!

akaDAVE · World Chat Champion Joined: 01 Sep 2005 Karma :

It is tragic but there are just no excuses for that. I don't know how he's going to live with himself. I suspect he won't.
There is nowhere to turn.
To say that the car shouldn't have pulled out is a pathetic excuse. Speeding or not, you should always EXPECT them to pull out and with a pillion on the back you don't have the same brakes. Speeding after someone else in a 40zone is asking for trouble.
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c-m · World Chat Champion Joined: 12 May 2006 Karma :

sick bastard. if if want to ride dangerous and chase other bikes don't do it with a 15 year old girl on pillion
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Spoonman · Two Stroke Sniffer Joined: 24 Aug 2006 Karma :

few very good points made in here.

i'm a believer that it's not speed that kills but bad judgment and riding into a corner which you can't see around, at a speed which does not allow you to stop safely and when there is someone else trusting you with their lives is about as bad as it gets.

the only thing that can be done know is for us all to learn from his mistake and do our able best to see to it that this sort of behaviour is not deemed acceptable in the future.

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colin1 · Captain Safety Joined: 17 Feb 2005 Karma :

ok he was going too fast, but i suspect it was still at least partly the land rovers fault for pulling out in front of him

there was a similar story where a tv exec pulled out in front of a biker who was behind the main pack, and that time it was the tv exec which got the full blame when the biker wd have been goinv over the speed limit because thats what happens on rideouts.

but having recently gone pillion, id say riders do tend to forget that they cant ride as they normally do as a pillion's grip isnt so good

i have a theory about the types who like to ride around in 4x4s

they know they are unsafe drivers because they have had a few near misses or prangs from not looking where they are going, so they buy a tank to protect themselves. this explains why more 4x4s pull out in front of you than any other type car
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Misc · World Chat Champion Joined: 15 Aug 2005 Karma :

We all sometimes ride fast but why would you do it with a little girl on the back?

colin1 · Captain Safety Joined: 17 Feb 2005 Karma :

yeah true
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NinjaBoy · Scooby Slapper Joined: 13 Aug 2006 Karma :

Is this dude going down for manslaughter or is it just a "misfortune?"
I myself was in a car accident just over 3 years ago in a Toyota MR2 Turbo (very fast) and I was a passenger. The guy driving was my good mate and decided to go drifting round a roundabout. Was fun until he went to pull off and he misjudged his steering and we almost hit a lamppost. No damage was done, but it scares the crap out of you. Same as when my dad and I came off his Africa 750 a few years back as a result of some guy pulling out and not looking.

Since these incidents I've never trusted anyone but my parents in cars - I hesitate getting lifts from mates or their older brothers/sisters who may have just got their cars.

All I know is that when I'm driving/riding in 4 months time, I won't put anyone's life in jeopardy as long as they are in/on my vehicle, and only when I see see it safe will I let rip a wee bit down dual carriageways. I have been driving since I was 13 on private roads, so I know how to. It has also made me realise you need to be careful and the slightest wrong move could cause an accident.

As long as I'm in control of my vehicle, I'll do as I please (within limits), and as long as I'm the ONLY ONE in/on my vehicle.
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extreme3d · World Chat Champion Joined: 27 Dec 2004 Karma :

That's terrible to hear, as Dragonfly above has said he will have to live with that for the rest of his life Crying or Very sad

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Fahd · World Chat Champion Joined: 17 Jan 2006 Karma :

Very tragic... Sad