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Mister James
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PostPosted: 16:31 - 10 Sep 2006    Post subject: Moutain Bikes! (that's right - no bl***y engine!!) Reply with quote

I can't remember being this scared on the road since I got back on my scooter after spending 5 months as a cripple wondering if I would ever walk again!

As part of my new fitness drive, I decided to repair my old mountain bike to use for all the short hops about town that I currently do on my scooter. However, when I got down to pulling it apart, I realised that 9 years of abuse and virtually zero maintainance had left it a wreck, so I popped off to buy a new one.

Rode the beastie back from the shop today, and nearly soiled myself! It's so small, the saddle is uncomfortable, you just have to think about about turning and you find yourself travelling at right angles, it slows down when you stop pedalling (!?!) and it weighs about as much as a wet fart!

It's an 'interesting' feeling using a tiny bike saddle on my still-tender pelvis, but I guess that once the initial aches and pains subside, it will have done me good - no pain no gain, and all that!

I'm well aware that Viking are sneered at by professional mountain bikers, but as I have no aspirations in that regard at all, I'm quite content with it - it looks pretty cool too!

Maybe next time someone does a crazy London to Brighton ride I'll be fit enough to tag along and make everybody feel better about themselves!
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PostPosted: 16:49 - 10 Sep 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

Cool, get it off road where it belongs Wink Thin saddles are all well and good, but I think if I had your pelvis I'd be considering a fatter saddle, those alloy frames ride quite harshly compared to steel.

Just spent the afternoon re-cabling my mtb and generally swearing at my knackered mechs that like adjusting themselves.
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PostPosted: 17:27 - 10 Sep 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think I'm going to wait until I've built my leg muscles back up to what they were last year before I go and humiliate myself off road, I rode 6 miles back from the shop and then to pick some food up today, and I was shocked at how hard it was - I used to do a 12 mile round trip into work every day without any problems. (except for the day when I got to work and had forgotten my boots - had to ride back and get them, 18 miles at frantic speed before breakfast - nice!)

Do you go off road much, and if so, what kind of routes do you take, ie. distance/terrain/time etc?
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PostPosted: 17:29 - 10 Sep 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

hes right about the alloy frames being harsh, thye dont naturally flex like steel bikes,
Id go for a gell saddle for the time being untill you build your fitness up if its hurting your pelvis,
my bike is in bits under the stars Shocked I really must get mine out and get on the fitness ladder to build my stamina
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PostPosted: 17:37 - 10 Sep 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

With reference to tyres, I'm looking at changing the off-road tyres to something a little slicker for the urban jungle. My current tyres are 26*2.1", am I right in thinking that I can just put something like a 26*1.75 on with no problems? It's the depth of the tyre rather than the width, isn't it?

How much difference does a flatter tread pattern make to speed/ease of use?

(You can tell it's been ages since I rode a bike - and I wasn't exactly an expert even back then!)
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PostPosted: 19:01 - 10 Sep 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

I mainly do off-road these days. I like the odd sunny day cruising the country lanes, but otherwise find off road a lot more fun, and there's lots of good trails around here Smile Been averaging around 45 off road miles a week this summer I think.

2.1 is a bit overly chunky for road work, I would expect 1.75 to be fine and a hell of a lot easier to pedal, although tyre weight plays a big part too. You might need some thinner inner tubes to go with them.

Be aware though, generally the thinner the tyre the harsher the ride.
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PostPosted: 19:08 - 10 Sep 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

A saddle with suspension in the saddle post is what you want.
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PostPosted: 21:11 - 10 Sep 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

Money well spent. Thumbs Up I've just got back from 30 miles worth of random off road stuff and I swear it does get more fun every time you do it. And that's on my total POS claud butler thingy which has crap suspension, gears in serious need of adjustment (it's been on the to do list for about a month) and brakes that don't even do anything until you pull them back to the bar.

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Maybe next time someone does a crazy London to Brighton ride I'll be fit enough to tag along and make everybody feel better about themselves!


Consider that your provisional entry in the BCF london to brighton round two. Wink
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PostPosted: 21:34 - 10 Sep 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well, I went for a ride this evening, and charged up and down a couple of bridlepaths to see what the big deal was.

When I say 'charged', I actually mean 'gingerly picked and plodded my way up the gravel-paths and across the fields'.

I think I can see the attraction - I'll have to give it a proper go when I have a comfortable saddle and some of my fitness back.

Then there remains the problem of actually finding somewhere decent to ride off road around here, the joys of London.
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PostPosted: 10:26 - 11 Sep 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

I seem to remember one of the MTB mags doing a run around the M25 using all the bridal paths/single track thats available, if I can find it, i'll post the route (but don't hold your breath, i've moved house since I read it Shocked )
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PostPosted: 18:24 - 11 Sep 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

Smile Although I think it'll be done in small chunks, I haven't suddenly turned into Lance Armstrong!
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PostPosted: 21:06 - 11 Sep 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ive got a BMX running oddisy sealed bearings on front and back. Maxis Offroad tyre on front, Snafu Street tyre on the rear. Running 60psi in both. Can outroll almost any pushbike down hill, And once stop pedaling, it dosent really slow down. Cool

But, I dont really hve the choice about the saddle, I got for the lighter the better really.

One brake on the rear,
Choped down bars,
Choped down seat post (no point having post inside the frame)

Nice and light, fast and manouverable. Very Happy

BMX is the way... Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 22:26 - 11 Sep 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

putting narrower tyres on it will make it even harsher to ride 1.75 is ok for a slick, ive seen thinner, as Ive seen them converted into triathalon bikes back in my day.
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PostPosted: 23:07 - 11 Sep 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

Most standard hardtail mountain bikes won't happily take more than a 2.1 tyre. Quite often you'll get a 2.3 on there too. But then you're heading towards downhill tyres and these are heavy.

Aluminium is a lot stiffer and can make for an uncomfortable ride on a bike with no rear suspension. I've just bought a carbon fibre seat post for my Cannondale to cure this problem, but for you a more comfortable seat would be the best option. Also be aware a seat will take a while to be comfortable, and the muscles in your backside will probably hurt if you've nevr ridden further than the shops before!

The main thing is to get out. Some of the best fun I had mountain biking was on a bsic bike years ago. My two bikes are worth over 3k, but I still have the enhusiasm I always did
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PostPosted: 23:10 - 11 Sep 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

if ride becomes harsh, just run at a lower pressure

personnaly i like a budget proper road racer with mega skinny tyres on roads and canal towpaths

although i prefer mountain bike tyres on paths with deep sand

for comfort and less strain on your pelvis u need a recumbent bike like mine

https://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y156/colinwall/mybike001.jpg

https://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y156/colinwall/recumbent.jpg

they are about £200 second hand on ebay

mmm comfy seat

https://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y156/colinwall/seat001.jpg
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PostPosted: 01:24 - 12 Sep 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

colin1 wrote:
if ride becomes harsh, just run at a lower pressure

personnaly i like a budget proper road racer with mega skinny tyres on roads and canal towpaths

although i prefer mountain bike tyres on paths with deep sand

for comfort and less strain on your pelvis u need a recumbent bike like mine

they are about £200 second hand on ebay

mmm comfy seat


Please don't tell me you actually ride that thing? You must look like some sort of horizontally poised sex offender
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PostPosted: 14:16 - 12 Sep 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hmmm, just as I was about to pop round to my parent's and pick up the 2 cycle helmets I have there, I read this article:

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2006/09/12/ncycle12.xml

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Cyclists who wear helmets are more likely to be hit by vehicles than those without, says new research.

It found that drivers leave less room when overtaking cyclists in helmets because they perceive them to be more experienced.

Dr Ian Walker, a traffic psychologist at Bath University, used a bicycle fitted with an ultrasonic distance sensor and video camera to record data from 2,300 overtaking motorists.


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Dr Walker, who carried out the research in Bristol and Salisbury, found motorists passed, on average, more than three inches closer when he was wearing a helmet than otherwise. He was hit twice, once by a lorry and once by a bus, both times while wearing a helmet


Interesting, if not conclusive.
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PostPosted: 14:44 - 12 Sep 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've just learnt what a disaster getting a cheap bike can be!

My bike is around 15 years old. Lived all it's life outside, never had any real care taken of it.

Not long ago I managed to snap one of the pedals on it. Until I got it fixed my mate lent me his brand new full suspension bike.

Oh dear.

He'd got them online £100 for 2 of them. Have a Look!

I can't believe how heavy this thing is. It's like riding a girder with wheels on! The suspension springs are crap and far too soft, even after adjusting them. The twist grip gears are some of the worst I've ever used. It's just a bloody nightmare! I couldn't wait to get back on my old piece of crap again!

I'm now so against getting a new cheap bike that I'm going to have to do my one up! Confused HELP!! I've not worked on a bike in years. That said I only need to swap all the cables for the brakes and gears, the teeth have orn down and could probably do with replacing. The bearings in the main pedal coggy type bit sound like they are made of gravel, both tyres need changing as the rubber has split REALLY badly! Oh, and out of 21 gears, I can select about 6 of them!

and STILL it's better than this new thing! Be careful of what you buy people!
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PostPosted: 14:52 - 12 Sep 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sounds like a waste of time and money tbh Jesus, 06' bikes are discounted now, something like this wouldn't be a bad buy.
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PostPosted: 16:38 - 12 Sep 2006    Post subject: Re: Moutain Bikes! (that's right - no bl***y engine!!) Reply with quote

Mister James wrote:
I can't remember being this scared on the road since I got back on my scooter after spending 5 months as a cripple wondering if I would ever walk again!

As part of my new fitness drive, I decided to repair my old mountain bike to use for all the short hops about town that I currently do on my scooter. However, when I got down to pulling it apart, I realised that 9 years of abuse and virtually zero maintainance had left it a wreck, so I popped off to buy a new one.

Rode the beastie back from the shop today, and nearly soiled myself! It's so small, the saddle is uncomfortable, you just have to think about about turning and you find yourself travelling at right angles, it slows down when you stop pedalling (!?!) and it weighs about as much as a wet fart!

It's an 'interesting' feeling using a tiny bike saddle on my still-tender pelvis, but I guess that once the initial aches and pains subside, it will have done me good - no pain no gain, and all that!

I'm well aware that Viking are sneered at by professional mountain bikers, but as I have no aspirations in that regard at all, I'm quite content with it - it looks pretty cool too!

Maybe next time someone does a crazy London to Brighton ride I'll be fit enough to tag along and make everybody feel better about themselves!


its a perfect chance to perfect your wheelie, stoppie and drifting technique ready for when your back on 2 wheels+and engine Mr. Green
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PostPosted: 17:08 - 12 Sep 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

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if ride becomes harsh, just run at a lower pressure

Also makes it significantly harder to pedal. Dropping my tyres from 100-80psi makes a hell of alot of difference.

Recumbent's I found to be fairly akward to use and not as efficient as a normal bike from my quick go colin.

Someone else mentioned carbon seat-post's which I'm currently looking into. I ride an ally road bike and couldn't even coast down hill with a carbon bike due to me having to get out the seat and him gliding efortlessley over the bumpy surfaces.

1.75 tyres will be fine, as should your innertubes, double check them. If you can get Specialized Nimbus Armadillo tyres. I have a thinner version of these on my 700c wheels and they are cut to buggery, regularly finish ride's and find stuff stuck in them, but it doesnt go through the tyre, therefore not resulting in a puncture. This is a big problem as you'll come to see on London roads.
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PostPosted: 17:39 - 12 Sep 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

maurice wrote:
Sounds like a waste of time and money tbh Jesus, 06' bikes are discounted now, something like this wouldn't be a bad buy.


I know, but i understand where my mate was coming from 2 for £100 where as to get 2 of the ones you linked to would be £460. That's a fair ole jump!
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PostPosted: 20:24 - 12 Sep 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

colin1 wrote:
if ride becomes harsh, just run at a lower pressure

personnaly i like a budget proper road racer with mega skinny tyres on roads and canal towpaths

although i prefer mountain bike tyres on paths with deep sand

for comfort and less strain on your pelvis u need a recumbent bike like mine



https://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y156/colinwall/seat001.jpg



thats an orbit crystal isnt it?

I used to make them, the owner of the firm was my boss at freewheel and Orbit cycles Smile
I was mechanic and wheel builder
top recumberant,
Simon used to ride everywhere in Sheffield on his

edit missed a bit,
If you get in touch with orbit and are willing to fork out a little extra Id get the underseat steering, it feels a lot better,
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PostPosted: 21:09 - 12 Sep 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

3 months ago, I replaced my old raleigh mountain bike for a new schwinn. I didn't want full suspension, just the front, (because my gammy wrist hurts if I hit a bump), and it's fitted with a suspension saddle.
Luvverly it is. A pleasure to ride. Thumbs Up

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PostPosted: 21:32 - 12 Sep 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

Any excuse to show off mine.

14 years old, well, the frame.
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