An Inconvenient Truth and Esso

Vincey B · Renault 5 Driver Joined: 14 Oct 2005 Karma :

This is from the Royal Society Website :(https://www.royalsoc.ac.uk/landing.asp?id=1278)

International scientific consensus agrees that increasing levels of man-made greenhouse gases are leading to global climate change. Possible consequences of climate change include rising temperatures, changing sea levels, and impacts on global weather. These changes could have serious impacts on the world's organisms and on the lives of millions of people, especially those living in areas vulnerable to extreme natural conditions such as flooding and drought.

This is from the European Commision Website:
(https://ec.europa.eu/environment/climat/home_en.htm)

Climate change is one of the greatest environmental, social and economic threats facing the planet.

Human activities that contribute to climate change include in particular the burning of fossil fuels and deforestation, both of which cause emissions of carbon dioxide (CO2), the main gas responsible for climate change, as well as other 'greenhouse' gases. In order to bring climate change to a halt, global greenhouse gas emissions must be reduced significantly.

This is from the United Nations website:
(https://unfccc.int/essential_background/items/2877.php)

The average temperature of the earth's surface has risen by 0.6 degrees C since the late 1800s. It is expected to increase by another 1.4 to 5.8 degrees C by the year 2100 -- a rapid and profound change. Even if the minimum predicted increase takes place, it will be larger than any century-long trend in the last 10,000 years.

And we are sitting here discussing whether we should just let "nature take its course" and do absolutly nothing?!

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Retro-Man · Traffic Copper Joined: 21 Aug 2004 Karma :

the simple fact in laymens terms that I understand is climate change whilst possibly being accellerated by humans is not caused by humans

FFS how long do we expect the big ball of burning fuel we call a sun to last.

life on this planet will end, it is inevitable....do you get it yet

if there is to be any future for the human race it is not on this planet, so stop wasting time bothering with this god forsaken rock and spend more time and effort on getting people off this shit hole
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Didge · Traffic Copper Joined: 02 Jul 2006 Karma :

Man made global warming, is total and utter bollocks. How many millions of tons of poison gases are thrown into the atmosphere, and right up to the stratosphere, everytime a volcano decides to make itself known?
Mt. St. Helens probably slung more muck in the air, with one big bang, than man has done since the start of the industrial revolution.
Everyday, somewhere on the planet, including under the sea, gases are belching crap into the atmosphere from within the planets crust.

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https://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20060920/sc_nm/environment_warming_dc_1;_ylt=A0geumcs.BJFQHABzINQBQx.

Retro-Man · Traffic Copper Joined: 21 Aug 2004 Karma :

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all well and good but I'm yet to see any real evidence that its either mostly caused by humans or that it can be stopped.

As Kickstart has said realistically we simply don't have a big enough sample size of data to indicate if this is simply a natural cycle or not.
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gavin · World Chat Champion Joined: 05 Jul 2005 Karma :

terry gilliam was right......IPPR....Information Adjustments, same thing.

i cant believe they would put a document in the public domain that clearly states that the government do control the media Shocked

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gavin · World Chat Champion Joined: 05 Jul 2005 Karma :

heres a spanner to throw in the works.

It is claimed that a cow is responsible for as much greenhouse gas in its lifetime as the average car. Researchers estimate that the world cattle herd yields around 15-20 per cent all methane (CH4) generated by human activity - up to 100 million tonnes per year. Methane is 25 times more potent than CO2 in causing global warming.

And in California, regulators say dairy cows in the state's San Joaquin Valley produce more smog-forming gases than cars......

like i said, its human activity per se that is the root of the problem. but what are we to do, stop eating? stop breeding? Confused

if global warming is real, which i suspect it is, then we as a species have some very difficult decisions to make....

also i suspect there is a large amount of hysteresis in the temperature changes, and if we stopped all human activity that contributes to global warming right now, it would take tens, maybe hundreds of years for the effect to be noticed.

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gavin · World Chat Champion Joined: 05 Jul 2005 Karma :

well in a way we did. cattle are a domesticated animal, selectively bred from their wild ancestors to give high milk and meat yeilds.

there has been a population explosion in all kinds of livestock in the last 50 years in the developed world. there were almost exactly twice as many cattle in the UK in 2004 than in 1939, and it is likely that increase is reflected the world over. during that same period the human population of the uk increased by a very small amount.

there are nearly as many head if cattle in the UK now as there are cars - and they produce similar levels of emissions, but those emissions are many mant times more contributary to global warming.

this kind of increase is not natural, and there are many, many times more cattle in the world than there would have been if man had not intervened. not only that, they are far bigger, heavier, and more voracious. it is a double edged sword. there are many more cattle than there should be, and they produce far more emissions per head than wild cattle. and it is mankinds doing.

dont get me started on the chickens..... Rolling Eyes

Retro-Man · Traffic Copper Joined: 21 Aug 2004 Karma :

ah yes but this just counter acts the near extinction of american bison
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gavin · World Chat Champion Joined: 05 Jul 2005 Karma :

in the united states only, yes. there are as many cattle now as there were estimated to be bison, before the white man came. but they are intensively farmed and live shorter lives. but there is also the rest of the world to think about.

human population figures are even more startling. there are now 6.6 Billion people in the world compared to just 2.3 billion people only 50 years ago. go back 200 years and there were less than a billion people on earth....

in fifty years time there are expected to be nearly nine billion people on earth..all consuming, all competing...do the math......koyoto wont work....in fact i cant see anything currently on offer that will work.

we are all racing ever faster to get first place in our own demise....

zaknafien · Joined: 25 Mar 2002 Karma :

Forget trying to 'save the earth' it's a resource and nothing more, pump all the cash into finding a way to get permanently off this rock.
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Itchy · Super Spammer Joined: 07 Apr 2005 Karma :

We can stop global warming tommorow , unfortunately it is unpleasant the solution that is

we need to pour several trillion tons of Iron Fe into the oceans this will stimuate
algae growth to an extreme , and kill ALL marine life which means no fish n chips
suck up ALL the C02 in the atmosphere and it we bugger up the calculation in how
much Fe to use will do exactly what global warming'll do ice age 5!.
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