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2Smoke
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PostPosted: 22:12 - 30 Sep 2006    Post subject: What can be done to stop this mess on our roads? Reply with quote
Evil or Very Mad Evil or Very Mad Below are some pictures of the road out of the village where I live, the farmers seem to be taking the piss Mad I've lost control in my van going over this shite, and riding the bike across it is a fucking nightmare. What can I legally do to get them to clear it up? asking them aint an option.,, Evil or Very Mad Evil or Very Mad wankers
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PostPosted: 22:15 - 30 Sep 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote
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Ring the council highways department.

Every day it is like that.

And take photos.

And if you see someone crash on it offer to be a witness.

Farmers sometimes do take the piss (and anything else from out of a cow) and spread it over the road.

All the best

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PostPosted: 22:20 - 30 Sep 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote
Kickstart wrote:
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Ring the council highways department.

Every day it is like that.

And take photos.

And if you see someone crash on it offer to be a witness.

Farmers sometimes do take the piss (and anything else from out of a cow) and spread it over the road.

All the best

Keith


To be honest they seem to play a game of moving the mud from one field to the next every month or so. Would the council take action? Bearing in mind its a rural area ie most of them are matey with the farmers...

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PostPosted: 22:24 - 30 Sep 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote
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They would as if informed they stand a good chance of being legally liable for any accident that happens because of it.

All the best

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PostPosted: 22:48 - 30 Sep 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote
In practice you've got to expect some mud as the Autumn digs in.

Going in and out of fields inevitably drags mud out, no way round it and since they're probably in and out 20 time a day with spuds or something there aren't enough road sweepers in the country to clean it up.

It always seems a bit much at the time but very soon drys up or washes off when the job's done.

It used to be advised to put up a sign warning of possible mud but then some clever git decided that meant negligence in knowing mud was there but not cleaning it up.
Just go a bit slower, its only a few yards affected.
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PostPosted: 22:52 - 30 Sep 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote
Where I grew up we used to have a stretch of road called "cowshit corner". Loads of people came off their bikes there, it was a local joke who else had crashed at cowshit corner Very Happy
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PostPosted: 22:58 - 30 Sep 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote
doggone wrote:
Just go a bit slower, its only a few yards affected.


Doesn't always help. Go slower and you are less stable, and on the mud for longer. On the other hand when you fall off there will be less damage.

Mud had me off about 4 years ago. I was at walking pace and the front wheel just stopped turning (didn't touch the brakes, and was going in a straight line) as there was so little grip.

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PostPosted: 23:23 - 30 Sep 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote
Report it to both Police and Council, then at least if some one is foolish enough to fall off on it (lack of observation) they can claim against some one, makes it easier if you post location and time of day with the pics as well Wink

As saidm though, this time of year, on quiet back roads near fields it is to be expected, not expecting it is poor planning at the minimum.

Agreed about the speed bit by the way, but modern sports bikes don't make it easy to handle slippy surfaces, so gently rather than slowly is the way to stay upright.
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PostPosted: 23:55 - 30 Sep 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote
If you're going to live in the country, you have to expect country type things to happen.

Christ, what is this ... like city people moving to the country and complaining about the noise roosters make in the morning Rolling Eyes

Animals aren't going to stop shitting.
Farmers have muddy wheels cos its winter and its wet.
Get over it.

Or move to the city and experience OTHER road hazards that one has to be aware of - no matter where you live or ride, there are going to be hazards on the bloody roads. Jeez.

Riding through stuff at a steady pace seems to be a better option than wobbling slowly, resulting in more likelihood of falling off.

When I was last at home in NZ, we (city-kid urbanised riders) got very stressed out at every sign of road works, because over there they just take off the top layer of tarmac and you're on HEAVY gravel, even in town. Its well disturbing to urbanised riders who are used to nice flat relatively gravel free roads. We saw a guy out in the countryside in NZ, on a hardtail chop with apes, ride confidently through gravel about 4" deep at about 30mph, and were gobsmacked whilst we gravel greenhorns wobbled about nervously at 10mph on a tourer, LOL.

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What Hellkat said makes sensem if you relax and go with it, the bike will behave, most times the bike will sort itself out before you really know you are in trouble, freeze up though and it's paint shop time Evil or Very Mad Evil or Very Mad Twisted Evil Twisted Evil Razz
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PostPosted: 11:02 - 01 Oct 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote
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When the stuff on the road is slippier than grease your only option really is to turn around and go the other way.

https://www.alfa-pages.co.uk/bentbim/cnv00012.jpg

That was difficult to walk on. So little grip that the front tyre just stopped turning.

All the best

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PostPosted: 11:42 - 01 Oct 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote
paul, they are breaking the law. find out who is responsible and report them. much depends on the councils willingness to act though. Rolling Eyes

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The Law

Farmers and vehicle operators who deposit mud on the road are potentially liable for a range of offences. This guidance note is not a complete statement of the law or of your possible liabilities.

Criminal Law

A range of powers is available to the police and Highways Department, primarily under the Highways Act 1980, the Road Traffic Act 1988 and the Norfolk County Council Byelaw no 27.

Highways Act 1980 Section 137 “If a person, without lawful authority or excuse, in any way wilfully obstructs the free passage along a highway he is guilty of an offence”. Highways Act 1980 Section 148 “If without lawful authority or excuse a person deposits anything whatsoever on a highway to the interruption of any user of the highway he is guilty of an offence”.

What you SHOULD do

• Be prepared to hire in equipment – check availability in advance.

• Keep to your own farm roads and minor roads whenever possible

• Keep to low speeds – especially when travelling short distance – to help retain mud on the vehicle.

• Be prepared to keep a written record of your decisions on whether or not to deploy signs and/or to clean the road.

What you MUST do

• Do everything possible to prevent mud being deposited on the road. This includes cleaning mud from vehicles, as far as practicable, before they are taken onto the road. The fact that cleaning mud off tractors and attachments is commercially inconvenient may not be a defence in law.

• Only use signs that are authorised. The recommended sign shows the ‘Slippery Road’ triangle with ‘Mud on Road’ sub plate. If appropriate, the ‘Men at Work’ sign should be used. Signs must be at least 750mm. IRS of Swaffham (01760 721399) stock discounted signs.

• Other suppliers may make them to order. Make sure they are positioned to give maximum visibility and warning to other road users.

• Clean the road as necessary during the working day and always at the end of the working day.

• Ensure that labour and equipment is available and is suitable for the soil and weather conditions present.

• Where a contractor is used, ensure that prior agreement is reached on who is responsible for mud on road issues (signage, cleaning etc) and ensure that adequate public liability insurance is in place.

Highways Act 1980 Section 161 “If a person, without lawful authority or excuse, deposits anything whatsoever on a highway in consequence of which a user of the highway is injured or endangered, that person is guilty of an offence”.

Furthermore, the Road Traffic Act 1988 covers situations where a mechanically propelled vehicle is driven dangerously on a road. Driving dangerously can include driving a vehicle in a state that could cause danger to others. Punishment for these offences ranges from fines to imprisonment.

Civil Action

Civil action can occur where the presence of mud results in personal injury, damage to property, loss or inconvenience. The presence of mud can constitute a public nuisance and loss or injury can result in a claim for negligence.

Health and Safety

Under the Health and Safety at Work Act 1974, employers have a duty to look after the health and safety, not only of themselves, their family and employees, but of anyone who may be affected by their working operations. Employees also have responsibilities to themselves and others.

Recovery of Clean Up Costs by Highways Authority

The County Council/Highways Authority has a duty to assert and protect the rights of road users. Section 149 of the Highways Act 1980 gives the Highways Authority the power to clean the road and recover its expenses from the person causing the obstruction.

Whilst this guidance note is endorsed by Norfolk Constabulary, Norfolk County Council and the National Farmers' Union (NFU) , it is not a definitive guide of responsibility and conduct. Compliance with it will not provide exemption from liability but may be used by enforcement officers as a checklist when visiting the scene of the incident or site of public complaint.




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PostPosted: 12:31 - 01 Oct 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote
Kickstart wrote:
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When the stuff on the road is slippier than grease your only option really is to turn around and go the other way.

https://www.alfa-pages.co.uk/bentbim/cnv00012.jpg

That was difficult to walk on. So little grip that the front tyre just stopped turning.

All the best

Keith


Where is that pic taken? looks like Bradley lane, but they all look the same covered in Shiyte. Wink

Keith, I reported the farm at the Top of Billy Bank(on way to newport) as he was leaving a half inch of slurry between his first gate and his second (only about 20 yards). He was doing it every day. The same day I reported him there was a road sweeper cleaning it all up and as far as I know he takes a slightly longer route now through his own land now, to save re hiring the sweeper.

On country road you need to expect it but the above road is a main link between towns and he was taking the piss. Wink
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Where is that pic taken? looks like Bradley lane, but they all look the same covered in Shiyte. Wink


It is the lane from Bradley to Levedale. He often left it pretty dodgy, but that really was taking the piss. While I was there 2 cars had hit the mud and understeered straight into the verge before bouncing back onto the road. I was expecting it. I had slowed down. I slowed down even more when I saw how bad it was. I kept as upright as I could, kept in a straight line and rapped my fingers around the bars to stop me touching the front brake. I still went down.

Making a mess occasionally is no problem. Another farmer closer to Bradley very occasionally makes a mess, but that is (litterally) once a year or so when they are having a serious go at the fields, and there are plenty of warning signs.

The worst bit of the above picture is that the farmer is basically leading his cattle from the gate on the left to the field the gate on the right leads to. Except that he walks them several hundred yards down the road instead.

I did report it to the police and the council (and again the following day as it was just as bad). Council had a word. Police decided to go to a different farm (they denied it on the 2nd call, but a neighbour is a copper who knew the one who had been sent to have a word).

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Keith, I reported the farm at the Top of Billy Bank(on way to newport) as he was leaving a half inch of slurry between his first gate and his second (only about 20 yards). He was doing it every day. The same day I reported him there was a road sweeper cleaning it all up and as far as I know he takes a slightly longer route now through his own land now, to save re hiring the sweeper.


Go past there pretty much every day for most of the past decade. Never seen it worse than mildy messy.

All the best

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PostPosted: 13:08 - 01 Oct 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote
gavin; cheers I'll print that out and nail it to his tractor. At the moment the road is quite clear but it wont stay that way for long!

Now, how do we stop the horse riders dropping crap on all the bends? Evil or Very Mad
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I've been straight over the handle bars once because of mud on the road on a bend. The back end overtook the front and the next second I was airborne. Hospital job that one.

A friend of mine used to work on the farms. They were made to clear the roads using spades if someone complained about the mud, so there must be some action you can take.
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Get in touch with the council. Dont know if their as good at cleaning up as mine but I reported some gravel all over the road on a corner near my house, and I recieved several phone calls to confirm its location and let me know they were sending a crew out Thumbs Up shame I didnt get a reward Mr. Green
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My advice on the subject is if you come across mud while rounding a corner, roll the throttle off slowly, DO NOT brake, keep your line and dont panic. I hit a patch of heavy mud on a corner (doing 50mph) after some heavy rain just outside of Newport acctually.
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it will probably take a death before anything gets bloody done about it!!!! Evil or Very Mad
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gavin; cheers I'll print that out and nail it to his tractor. At the moment the road is quite clear but it wont stay that way for long!

Now, how do we stop the horse riders dropping crap on all the bends? Evil or Very Mad


I'll pay you in sexual favours not to bring that argument up lol Laughing
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I'll pay you in sexual favours not to bring that argument up lol Laughing


That depends if its you in your avatar lol Wink Wink Very Happy
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Excellant thread i was today wondering about this while driving through cow shit Twisted Evil

Also bit off topic but why are there in some streets so many manholes? there are 5 outside my house all randomly placed and the ones dow the road are all placed on cornors?

Also do petrol stations not have to clean their forcourts as i near skidded on oil and petrol driving into one and noticed the ground was black! not beigh like it was suppose to be.
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Excellant thread i was today wondering about this while driving through cow shit Twisted Evil


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