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| colin1 wrote: | | Didge wrote: |
Migration watch may be to some, a right wing think tank, but they have access to FAR MORE facts and figures than you do.
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they arent a think tank, as that implies the ability to think
and their 'facts' are what they have decided is true without quoting sources or giving any justification for their spurious numbers that seem to be plucked from thin air, or at best the result of misunderstanding actual statistics
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They have a huge amount in common with you then?
The truth is that Migration Watch are the only people with guts enough to point out that Managed Migration is a running joke, and that the truth is that the Immigration system is a frakkin' shambles that is fucking up this country.
Just because whimpering liberals love the idea of Jonny Foreigner coming over here in his droves, they malign and smear those who disagree with them.
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we have an ageing population, if we dont have lots of immigrants to increase the number of tax payers, the taxes on those in work will become huge to pay for all the old pensioners
this makes the age distribution of our population top heavy as more people are old as there are less young people |
So your Baldric-style cunning plan is to ship in hundreds of thousands of death-trap driving, tax-dodging, fight-starting, wage-under-cutting builders to come over here, work for a few years, send all their money home, and then either follow it back themselves or stay here and ship in all their dependents and make the problem worse?
Wow, amazing. I can't understand why you aren't Prime Minister yet!
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One thing that gets on my tits is that they are paid lower wages than us. They are paid "off the books" they dot pay tax! so they dont exist to the goverment as working here. So by tiemi go looking for a job i dont get one as the place is full of romanians working for less than min wage. Not their fault, i dont think half them know or relise. I know a man who rents out a house he owns to them. 6 in one house, £50 a week each! its a tiny 2 bed terrace house ffs and a dump! look at the amount he earns from them being there! I am not racist i am startnig to see teh people here in this contry as real con artists. Its hard to even rent a house not never even mind a job if you are not foreign and have mug printed across your head. 
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aussies and kiwi's (and s'ifirikins) have been doing that for donkeys years, and nobody seems to mind.
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They all speak English (more or less) and seldom send their wages home - they spend it here. They represent a culture that is compatible with ours, and they generally do not cause huge amounts of mischief. When was the last time you heard about a Kiwi sex-traffic gang, just out of interest?
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a fit kiwi bird pulling your pint in the bar is fine, but the polish builder waiting at the bar for his is unwelcome?  |
Essentially, yes, but you digress.....
Colin is putting forward the proposal that inviting/condoning hundreds of thousands of low-skilled and waged workers to this country is some kind of silver bullet solution to the aging population.
It is not.
It is also worth noticing that a recent report suggested that for an immigrant to be considered as a net contributor to the economy, he must be earning over £25,000. How many of those you refer to do you think earn that much?
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mister james works in a detention centre for immigrants(mostly non white), and was badly injured in a traffic accident with an immigrants car (eastern european)so its understandable for him to have a bit of prejudice
our country needs immigrants
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Everyone has prejudice Colin - at least I actually have relevant experience to match it.
You forgot to add that I live in London, and thus my every waking moment is spent surrounded by immigrants - huge numbers of whom are bound to be illegal - like the 150 or so eastern europeans I have banged up across the 4 wings.
Keep your snide insinuations to yourself, especially when you are utterly incapable of defending your position.
There is a huge difference between managed migration of small numbers of essential personnel, and the current flood of people we really don't need or want.
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They all speak English (more or less) and seldom send their wages home - they spend it here. They represent a culture that is compatible with ours, and they generally do not cause huge amounts of mischief. When was the last time you heard about a Kiwi sex-traffic gang, just out of interest?
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you've obviously never been to the Redback in Acton, or The Church in Kings Cross......huge amounts of mischief  but i digress...
i work in london and ive known loads of aussies and kiwis, and south africans, and yes they do indeed send their money home. its a common theme, work here for 3-5 years, often illegally on a visitors visa or a student visa, spend their money in places run by their country folk, save as much as they can and go home with it.
do the math, everything is relative. cost of living here relative to earnings isnt too different form their home countries, so lets say they can save 10% of their earings whether here or back home...but when the pound is worth 3 times what the new zealand dollar is, 5 grand saved here becomes fifteen grand back home.....like i said, ive known a few kiwis and when you dig deep enough this is always the motivator for being here, i mean honestly, this weather and london life or their own beautiful country?
i knew a guy from south africa too, he brought his family here, intends to take full advantage or our education and healthcare system, and work till his kids have grown up (10 more years) then sell his london 3 bed semi and buy a bloody big ranch back home and retire...
just yesterday i employed the services of a subbie run by an australian guy, nice bloke, all cash in hand, doing me a favour, and himself, but doing nothing for the economy.........
they are all at it..... it seems you just dont like some of them because of their origin
and as for sex gangs.....apart from what goes on at the redback... you're probably right. but theres probably more shady english blokes doing the same than there are turks or romanians... |
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not at all mate, london born and bred. not much suprises me
seen and known a few shady white men and a few other nationalities too. my Turkish Cypriot neighbours for example, were both taught to drive by a qualified TC driving instructor, who couldnt even parallel park his TC driving schools nissan micra. neither of them could change gear properly for at least six months after passing their tests then again, another previous neighbour ( white english guy ) got sent down for dealing crack and owning (as in bought and paid for) a couple of phillipino birds in a brothel he set up.
all family people with day jobs, mortgages and so on. corruption and crime are rife, its just that its easy to target the ones who stand out.
ill take you back to my first post in this thread if i may. you can complain all you like but its not about your street or mine, its about europe being an economic force for the future, and migrant workers are a major part of that. if it causes a little local grief well, thats just the force of change. im not saying i agree with it, just thats how it is and is going to be.
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| Posted: 22:44 - 05 Oct 2006 Post subject: |
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seen and known a few shady white men and
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I'd expect you to. For the moment, there are still a few more of us than everyone else (although you wouldn't know it in London), which is what makes many of the crime statistics so shocking.
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its just that its easy to target the ones who stand out.
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I target for my scorn and distaste anyone who stands out as being a pain in the arse or doing something I don't like. That's called 'having an opinion'.
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ill take you back to my first post in this thread if i may. you can complain all you like but its not about your street or mine, its about europe being an economic force for the future, and migrant workers are a major part of that.
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I'll take you back to Didge's excellent post laying out the fact that 4 out of every 5 LEGAL migrants are of no real use to our economy, let alone the hundreds of thousands of illegals and overstayers.
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if it causes a little local grief well, thats just the force of change. im not saying i agree with it, just thats how it is and is going to be.
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Fatalism like that is what allowed this situation to develop. We let our government sign over all of its powers to Brussels and slowly lose control over our nation by default, so that Blair can establish his pro-European credentials to his rich muckas across the channel.
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It doesn't need riots in the street, it just needs a managed migration policy that actually does what it says on the tin.
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| gavin wrote: | | Mister James wrote: | So your Baldric-style cunning plan is to ship in hundreds of thousands ................ to come over here, work for a few years, send all their money home, and then either follow it back themselves or stay here and ship in all their dependents and make the problem worse?
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aussies and kiwi's (and s'ifirikins) have been doing that for donkeys years, and nobody seems to mind.
a fit kiwi bird pulling your pint in the bar is fine, but the polish builder waiting at the bar for his is unwelcome? |
In general the antipodean bunch are only here to work long enough to pay for their working holiday round Europe/the world (called Overseas ExperIence, or "OE"), and then go home and settle back down to a nice life in a happy peaceful sunshiney country. In general they only stay for up to two years and then they fuck off back home where its sunny and warm.
There are a few who come over, and play the "rip off Poms" game*, but for the most part, they rarely bring their grannies over and demand benefits and housing for them as well, they are more likely to go back home to their relatives, and are smart enough (unlike me) to return home to where they can have a better quality of life, rather than stay in this country and live a shitty life on limited benefits and surrounded by demanding foreigners.
*wanders off wondering why I am still here*
*and I have to say, I'm not very proud of those types, I get very cross when I hear about them doing stuff like that ... but I tend to avoid most of the transient antipodean types like the plague anyway 
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| Posted: 22:25 - 07 Oct 2006 Post subject: |
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Once again, you are missing the point.
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some of you might not like it but migrant workers are now a fact of life,
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I'm aware of not liking it purely because they are a fact of life!
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i think theres wheat and chaff in every culture, and with the current state of europe we will probably get plenty of both, but weve got both or our own already.
give me someone who is prepared to make their own way over someone who isnt, regardless of their background, any day of the week. all the white english trash who wont work can go suffer life on the estates with the benefit migrants, and ill have the hard working foreigner as a good neighbour, thanks very much.
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Where's all the wheat at?
I'll once again point you to the statistic that all the pro-migrants are ignoring, that unless each migrant worker earns £25,000+ a year without posting it all home, they provide NO benefit to our economy, the sole positive point you are able to dredge up.
Even if I were to accept the (entirely illogical) economic argument you are attempting to put forward, I utterly spurn the cultural impact it is having, and the fact that every day I ride home from work and nearly get killed by at least a couple of them. T
oday - for those keeping count - it was 2 Poles, a Lithuanian and an unidentified north-African driver that did their level best to use cunning tricks like not indicating while undertaking in the dark above the speed limit on a corner to finish me off and end the debate.
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where did you get that fact? migration watch? if 25k is the break even point, then at least 50% of the working uk population is a burden on the Exchequer.
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