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PostPosted: 09:54 - 11 Oct 2006    Post subject: Janie's Got A Gun Reply with quote

Well actually, a friend of mine has and he wants to sell it.

Firstly, sorry this isn't strictly bike related, but I'd like to draw on the vast pool of knowledge that is comprised of the many members of this forum.

I'm trying to find out what it is worth, but am not having any luck.

It's one of these:

https://www.world.guns.ru/smg/smg53-r.htm

https://www.midwestgunandrange.com/MachineGuns/star_Z70.htm

It's in very good condition and has (I think) 3 magazines with it.

I can't find any on ebay, any ideas anyone ?

Thanks.
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PostPosted: 09:56 - 11 Oct 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

Don't think it's much use asking anyone from the UK.
Good luck.
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PostPosted: 10:22 - 11 Oct 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

by the way, world guns has an english version.

https://world.guns.ru/smg/smg53-e.htm
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PostPosted: 10:26 - 11 Oct 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

Such a bad idea posting this on a forum.
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PostPosted: 10:33 - 11 Oct 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

Siggi wrote:
Delvard wrote:
Such a bad idea posting this on a forum.


Yes. I would have prefered a PM. Cash waiting etc. Thumbs Up Very Happy


Mr. Green But it is though. For an infintisimal number of comedic reasons. For even one of these reasons this topic has got to be a wind up. Surely.
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PostPosted: 10:34 - 11 Oct 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

Infact I'm going to ring the police about it. Hang on. This could be funny. Mr. Green
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PostPosted: 10:37 - 11 Oct 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

Smile

The machine gun was legally converted to a pistol and kept on a gun licence.

Something to do with one part of the trigger being disabled.

I'm not trying to sell it to anyone here, only to try to find some idea of it's value.

Ringing the police should indeed be funny.

It's all legal and above board.

LMAO.

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PostPosted: 10:46 - 11 Oct 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

i wouldnt think it would be worth much, what with it being a 1970s SMG converted to semi only, that and it being made by one of the dodgyest spanish gun companies around, and only people with a gun licence would be interested in buying it i think. id give your local firearms police headquaters a call.. they should be aboe to give you more information, and if its 100% legal then theres nothing to loose. Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 10:53 - 11 Oct 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

Guns outside the army and security services are for idiots. Thats why the US has such fecking daft laws. How many kids shot in the last few weeks...

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PostPosted: 10:53 - 11 Oct 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

i really cant see that being legal, i thought pistols were banned a while back -well, apart from air pistols that is..
i could well be wrong though Karma
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PostPosted: 10:59 - 11 Oct 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

oops!

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PostPosted: 11:04 - 11 Oct 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ok, I've just checked and my mate no longer has a gun licence.

He had it de-activated by a gunsmith in 1992.

It comes complete with the de-activation certificate which means that it is no longer a firearm and can be legally owned by anyone.

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PostPosted: 11:14 - 11 Oct 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

beatnck wrote:
i really cant see that being legal, i thought pistols were banned a while back -well, apart from air pistols that is..
i could well be wrong though Karma


No, not quite right..
My brother has a collection of fully working 357 & 44 magnums, we use them on a range in Salford Laughing
He also has 357 rifles and black powder ball bearing guns.
The best one is a 20g double barrell hammer pistol Shocked
I have a pump action 12 bore and a SBS 12 bore.
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PostPosted: 11:55 - 11 Oct 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

You can have big uns if the barrel length is over a certain limit. It means you have a gun like the one penguin fired at the end of the Batman film.

And I think they can only be single shot.

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PostPosted: 13:08 - 11 Oct 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

So...

Is it worth anything ?
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PostPosted: 13:17 - 11 Oct 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

why would anyone want a deactivated gun?

would it be buying a motorbike without an engine?
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PostPosted: 14:00 - 11 Oct 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

carlosfandango wrote:
why would anyone want a deactivated gun?

would it be buying a motorbike without an engine?

Would seem it's quite a good way of old people getting kids to like them and pretend to be their mate.
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PostPosted: 14:52 - 11 Oct 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

beatnck wrote:
i really cant see that being legal, i thought pistols were banned a while back -well, apart from air pistols that is..


Believe me, a fully working SMG is little more than an air rifle anyway. Why we used to bother with them (as an Nation's army) is beyond me... house clearances aside you'd struggle to hit anything further than 20m away, let alone take it down! Laughing

They look good in Star Wars though...
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PostPosted: 15:21 - 11 Oct 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

WW2 german stuff tends to hold its value better
AK-47 (russian) is as said around 400 quid mark but an MP40 can be had for £900, old spec diac (part working internals) were talking upwards of 1500 - 2k.
Same for pistols colt 45 (1911a1) around £450 but a luger will fetch £700
So its prob worth around 200-3 maybe
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PostPosted: 16:08 - 11 Oct 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

Silver wrote:
beatnck wrote:
i really cant see that being legal, i thought pistols were banned a while back -well, apart from air pistols that is..


Believe me, a fully working SMG is little more than an air rifle anyway. Why we used to bother with them (as an Nation's army) is beyond me... house clearances aside you'd struggle to hit anything further than 20m away, let alone take it down! Laughing

They look good in Star Wars though...

Ever heard of the term CQB?
There's a reason the Thompson was nicknamed the 'Trench Broom'.
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PostPosted: 16:15 - 11 Oct 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

pwntifex wrote:
Ever heard of the term CQB?
There's a reason the Thompson was nicknamed the 'Trench Broom'.


Yeah but would you really want to carry around five weapons so you can have one that was good for each possible scenario? Why do you think they binned the SMG and SLR and replaced them with the SA80? Jack of all trades, master of none maybe, but at least it meant only one weapon to carry, one lot of ammunication etc.
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PostPosted: 16:27 - 11 Oct 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

Siggi wrote:
Because they're a bunch of pricks. The SA80 is a joke, barely capable of putting down a rabbit (when it's not jammed or falling apart), never mind a rabid taliban scumsack high on muslim crack.


I remember reading an account from one of our soldiers in the first Gulf war who was shocked that he had to hit an Iraqi something like six times before he eventually went down - and all the time this bloke was returning fire. Never had that problem with the trust 7.62mm... one of our guys got hit in the hand by an Argie (FN?) 7.62mm round in the Falklands and it dislocated his shoulder. Now that's power.
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PostPosted: 16:35 - 11 Oct 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

I only fired the SLR once (too young Laughing ) but it certainly had one hell of a kick to it (defintely when compared to the plasticky SA80, and the aforementioned feeble SMG).

My brother was in the Royal Anglians at the time of the change over and was part of a demonstration between the GPMG and the new all-singing-all-dancing LSW. They put them side by side on a range with a concrete block in each lane as targets. The LSW chipped away at its, the barrel overheated and then the firing pin broke. The GPMG apparently obliterated its block and then finished off the LSW's for it! Laughing
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PostPosted: 16:54 - 11 Oct 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

the SA80 has a good barrel now (H&K) but the rest is still Enfield crap. Seing as the SLR was FN why dont we adopt the FN P90, nice. Cant beat a proper high velcity round, that why the AK is still there in one form or another since 1947 (but it was a rip off of the German MP44)
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