new frames.

[steveh]

how do i go about registering a different frame to my bike?

my sub frame is twisted (all in one frame) and im not sure if the frame is, probably is..


sry if its abit mumbled im high on painkillers atm


cheers, steve
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[Kickstart]

Hi

Brand new frames are sold without a chassis number. If you use a 2nd hand frame then the rest of your bike gets the identity of the bike that frame came from, which means you need the log book. Also means that you bike gains any of the history of the crashed bike the frame came from , such as it being recorded as a write off.

It is quite possible to get a frame straightened. Not so much with alloy ones, but steel is easy.

All the best

Keith
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[steveh]

the frame looks okay, its just the subrame that is alittle bent, mite be able to get it back, its a steel frame, have you got any tipss, as im not sure of a place to get it on a jigg.


again sorry for the mumbled mess, damn wrist

steve.
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Hi

If it is a cheap banger for use on the tracks then you could try yourself. Otherwise take it somewhere with a jig to do the job properly. Not that expensive I think.

https://www.race-inline.com/index.html

https://www.motoliner.com/

No doubt dozens of others.

All the best

Keith
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[steveh]

just a thought, legalitys aaside, looking at my frame the number is on a plate wich is riveted on, could i just get a frame, and swap plates, i know its been done before, when do they check vin numbers wich are stamped on the headstock?

i think its going to be the easyest option for me, what do you think?


cheers, steve.
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Current : 06 Zx10r, 07 Wr450f SM, 74 850 norton commando, 63 bsa b40, 1962 Triton 650, 67 Triumph Tr6r, 1955 Triton 750, 1978 TY250E.

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Hi

One on the frame plate is probably the least likely to be checked. Having them not matching would make most people run away thinking it was stolen.

All the best

Keith
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[steveh]

the VIN number on the headstock? i always thought you checked the frame and engine numbers, wich are on that plate.


Steve.
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Current : 06 Zx10r, 07 Wr450f SM, 74 850 norton commando, 63 bsa b40, 1962 Triton 650, 67 Triumph Tr6r, 1955 Triton 750, 1978 TY250E.

[Kickstart]

Not really. The plate is easily taken off and pretty meaningless (and you can buy replacement ones anyway).

You check the chassis number stamped on the headstock and the number stamped on the engine (if one is stamped).

All the best

Keith
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[Gazdaman]

Been there done that.

I got a bandit frame for £50 off eBay, came with a v5 which I registered to me, and I also changed the engine number on that V5 to my engine number.

Because your frame number /will/ be checked come MOT time, better have it legit etc.

I was just going to rivet on my old plate, but I thought better of it.

Mine has no plate on it atm, (I have both plates somewhere though).

Gaz

[steveh]

did this cost anything to change the engine number?

also my restriction cert and insurance will have to be changed to a different reg number, is this cheap/easy to do?


Steve.
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Current : 06 Zx10r, 07 Wr450f SM, 74 850 norton commando, 63 bsa b40, 1962 Triton 650, 67 Triumph Tr6r, 1955 Triton 750, 1978 TY250E.

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Hi

In both cases it is effectively a completly different bike. Don't think that they will allow you to transfer the restriction (not that the certificate has any legal meaning) and the charge your insurance company will make is entirely up to them (think mine charge £20 for changes).

By the way, you do realise just how much work is involved in completely stripping and rebuilding a bike to change the frame?

All the best

Keith
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[Gazdaman]

As always Keith's bang on.

I now effectively own a completely different bandit (with fewer owners mind you).

So it'll be like you're swapping your policy to another bike.
Your restriction cert can't be swapped according to F.I international.

But the certificate means sweet FA anyway. If your bike actually is restricted then I wouldn't worry about it.

Gaz

[steveh]

just wondering because the engine is still the same, surley they would understand that changing the frame doesnt effect the 'restrictions'

i mean say i got a private number plate... i must be able to do that..


and keith, yes i do know how much work it is, ive done it before, just never had to change a frame ect.
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Current : 06 Zx10r, 07 Wr450f SM, 74 850 norton commando, 63 bsa b40, 1962 Triton 650, 67 Triumph Tr6r, 1955 Triton 750, 1978 TY250E.

[Gazdaman]

Keep all documentation of swapping the frame, and if you ever need to proove restriction then show them everything, I'm sure they'll understand.

Also point out FI International's policy.

It's only insurance that will want to see it anyway. If police want to see it then they'll most likely look physically or chuck it on a dyno.

Gaz

[steveh]

i may have to pay for another restriction/dyno run as my insurance asked for the cert last time..

Steve.
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[Gazdaman]

Well a dyno run is £10 if you pick the place and time well.

My insurance have never asked for it.

Gaz

[steveh]

my other option is to put it on a jigg, might well just do that as after all the transfer fees, tax, mot, insurance on a different bike (i know its the same, but you know what there like) it may work out cheaper for me.


Steve.
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Current : 06 Zx10r, 07 Wr450f SM, 74 850 norton commando, 63 bsa b40, 1962 Triton 650, 67 Triumph Tr6r, 1955 Triton 750, 1978 TY250E.

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Hi

Many years ago (many years ago) I was quited ~£50 to put a bike in a jig and then £10 a bend, just to give you a vague idea of costs.

If you swap the frame you would be looking at a shed load of work and the costs would be £25 for an MOT, £40 for tax (although you could claim your old tax back) and probably £20 for the insurance. However add the cost of the frame (could easily £500 2nd hand, they tend to be worth so much as they are mainly used for ringing stolen bikes) and £150 for the restriction.

All the best

Keith
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